Cayman did not make it for 22nd Nov launch

[Bogda]

Ima još generacija ili 2 do prave fuzije ... nekako mislim da se u prvoj generaciji više bave samom tehničkom stranom, odnosno kako najjednostavnije staviti GPU na SOI .
Ars ima dobar članak na temu:
http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/11/with-fusion-amds-devils-are-in-the-details.ars

Takođe, AMD je u PCI-E 3.0 standard gurao neke svoje stvari vezane za GPGPU na diskretnim grafikama ... trenutno ne mogu naći članak.

Pročitao još pre 11 dana, ali ovo nije tema o Fusionu, Mea culpa!

 

[Nedjo]

Vrlo sam dobro obavešten, i okolo a i pažljivo čitam sve šta pišeš. U početku sam zaista verovao da će od sve te Stream priče biti nešto. Ali evo već par godina slušamo isto, a iz AMD-a imamo samo neke poluzavršene trt mrt dekoder/enkoder/convertere videa.
Ali ajde uveri me u suprotno i pokaži jedan relevantni benchmark koji pokazuje značajno unapređenje zbog primene Stream-a.

pa kad napises da je AMD-ova GPGPU podrska na nivou od pre par godina, jedino sto meni pada na pamet jeste da si neobavesten! Pre par godina AMD je ima komplikovani iBrook za programiranje GPU-ova, a danas podrzava OpenCL 1.1 kako na GPU-ovima, tako ina CPU-ovima.

Na trzistu imas nekoliko paketa koji preko Stream implementacije donose znacajnu akceleraciju u video encodingu, a i nekoliko igara koristi DirectCompute za realizaciju zahtevnih shadera...

Ti verovatno imas neki interni reper koji mora biti ispunjen kako bi bio zadovoljan, ai govoriti da je danas GPGPU podrska na nivou Brooka od pre par godina je izraz neznanja NHF!

 

[Bogda]

pa kad napises da je AMD-ova GPGPU podrska na nivou od pre par godina, jedino sto meni pada na pamet jeste da si neobavesten! Pre par godina AMD je ima komplikovani iBrook za programiranje GPU-ova, a danas podrzava OpenCL 1.1 kako na GPU-ovima, tako ina CPU-ovima.

Na trzistu imas nekoliko paketa koji preko Stream implementacije donose znacajnu akceleraciju u video encodingu, a i nekoliko igara koristi DirectCompute za realizaciju zahtevnih shadera...

Ti verovatno imas neki interni reper koji mora biti ispunjen kako bi bio zadovoljan, ai govoriti da je danas GPGPU podrska na nivou Brooka od pre par godina je izraz neznanja NHF!

Niko nije rekao da je AMD-ova GPGPU podrška na nivou od pre par godina već da se osim priče sa strane AMD-a ne videsmo konkretne rezultate te podrške. Ovde mislim na neki ozbiljan završen softver koji bi koristio te mogućnosti i donosio primetna poboljšanja/ubrzanja.
Evo baš sam sada da bi sebe proverio googlao malo i sve što sam našao su bajati testovi nekih transcodera/enkodera/ konvertera i opšti zaključak testova je da koncpet ima perspektivu ali da implementacija nije dovršena.
Lepo bi bilo videti još nešto osim poluzavršenog convertovanja videa.
Ako ovo nije tačno, onda AMD-ov PR department loše radi i ne obaveštava nas o rezultatima svojih napora na ovom polju.

 

[pixell]

Zašto ova tema i dalje postoji?
Prošao je 22. novembar (Naziv teme i Fuadov i starac-ov dan za izbacivanje Cayman-a) i imamo zvaničnu temu koja se bavi 68xx i 69xx karticama.

Ovo je sada klasična prozivačka tema.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Zato što je release date 13.12. ?

 

[pixell]

Otkud ti ta informacija? Opet od Fuada?
Koliko sam ja video, jedina informacija koja sada kruži internetom je nedelja koja počine 13.12. što znači da može i 17.12. da bude datum izlaska.

Nisam video znaničnu najavu lansiranja od strane AMD-a osim naznaka sa slajdova da će Cayman izaći u Q4/2010.

Zbog toga pitam koja je svrha ove teme? Dvadeset drugi je prošao.
Po meni bi bilo logično ili temu preimenovati ili je zaključati a diskusiju nastaviti u zvaničnoj temi...

 

[garson]

Mozemo da stavimo Cayman didn't make it for 22nd Nov launch.

 

[pixell]

Ili na primer: "According to FUDo's schedule, AMD failed to deliver Cayman on time"

 

[Ace Rimmer]

A šta je to Fudo zayebo točno ?? NDA je isticao 22.11. - to je moglo značiti svašta. Ispao je slide-launch.
AMD je navodno potvrdio 13.12.

 

[Nedjo]

A šta je to Fudo zayebo točno ?? NDA je isticao 22.11. - to je moglo značiti svašta. Ispao je slide-launch.
AMD je navodno potvrdio 13.12.

NDA nije bio 22.11!

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Onda je neko krivo napisao na slajdovima, ili se odnosilo samo na slajdove.

 

[Bogda]

Zašto ova tema i dalje postoji?
Prošao je 22. novembar (Naziv teme i Fuadov i starac-ov dan za izbacivanje Cayman-a) i imamo zvaničnu temu koja se bavi 68xx i 69xx karticama.
Ovo je sada klasična prozivačka tema.

U zvaničnoj temi se uglavnom bavimo da li je 68xx Powercolor u "xyz prodavnici", skuplji od 68xx Gigabytea u "чџш продавници" i slično.
Ovde se uglavnom bavimo prognozama, tračevima i prozivanjem. Kad se pojave kartice prelazi se na zvaničnu temu.

 

[Nedjo]

Onda je neko krivo napisao na slajdovima, ili se odnosilo samo na slajdove.

NDA je pomeren, kao sto se to vec odavnoo zna

Ko je potpisao NDA (npr. Max ), to zna, zato i nije objavljivao detalje

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Super, znači datum je ... ??

 

[pixell]

U zvaničnoj temi se uglavnom bavimo da li je 68xx Powercolor u "xyz prodavnici", skuplji od 68xx Gigabytea u "чџш продавници" i slično.
Ovde se uglavnom bavimo prognozama, tračevima i prozivanjem. Kad se pojave kartice prelazi se na zvaničnu temu.

Koliko znam rasprave o cenama i dostupnosti se vrše u "Market" delu foruma, preciznije "Domaće tržište iliti GDE da kupim?" a u zvaničnim temama se bavimo peformansama, modelima, upoređivanjem i iskustvima korisnika.

Opet, nemam ja ništa protiv ove teme ako će se zvati realnije, npr. "AMD HD6900 series arriving Q4/2010" ili "Novosti o Cayman-u", samo skrećem pažnju da je tema nazvana po nečijem vlažnom snu.

 

[tomazino]

@nedjo
Niko ne spori da je NDA pomeren. Covek ti lepo kaze da kad je jos uvek vazio taj datum za NDA (22.11., sto se i vidi na slajdovima) Fudo je govorio o tom datumu. Onda se taj datum pomerio i Fudo (a i mnogi drugi) je poceo da navodi drugi datum. Ne vidim nista sporno i netacno u tome. A vise sajtova je objavilo vest da je 13.12 official launch day. Ako promase i taj datum, onda ne moraju ni da ga predstavljaju u ovoj godini.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Čarli kaže da vendori imaju kartice na lageru već odavno.
Čudnog li čuda, 3DČmark je isto odgođen na "neodređeno" ... ispravljaju bagove, navodno . Ovo je sad već sumnjivo.

Over the weekend we made the difficult decision to postpone the launch of 3DMark 11 by a few days.

Our aim is that 3DMark 11 should provide accurate, reliable and consistent results from the start. With that goal in mind we are taking some extra time now to fix a couple of difficult bugs rather than patching the benchmark immediately after launch.

It might take a day, it might be a week, but either way we'll be in touch again soon to confirm the new launch date. Thank you for your patience and understanding.

 

[pixell]

Baš pričam sa kolegom o tome ( ) pre neki dan. Toliko su tajnoviti da očekujem od ove, redizajnirane, VLIW4 arhitekture ili da naprave neko izuvanje od performansi ili da naprave novi R600

 

[Dusan K]

Na XS-su se pojavilo nesto novih (ili novijih) glasina, poreklom iz Rusije...

6970 is about 2.5 faster than 6870 at high res. Its length is estimated to be 267 mm. He cannot reveal info he got from a AMD representative.

The performance of the cards has not been compared to 6870, but 5970 and 5870 instead. Compared to 5970 it is 20% faster, while in tessellation - 3-4 times.
It will be released on 13 of December.

~2.5 puta iznad 6870, 20% iznad 5970 i 3 puta bolja u teselaciji je way to much, jednostavno ne verujem da je to tacno, arhitektura bi morala da bude mnooooogo efikasnija nego u Evergreenu (to je 5870 + 80%).

 

[nsdraza]

Na XS-su se pojavilo nesto novih (ili novijih) glasina, poreklom iz Rusije...





~2.5 puta iznad 6870, 20% iznad 5970 i 3 puta bolja u teselaciji je way to much, jednostavno ne verujem da je to tacno, arhitektura bi morala da bude mnooooogo efikasnija nego u Evergreenu (to je 5870 + 80%).

To sigurno nije istina ali da ce da izuva to sigurno to je vec istina. :eyebrows:

 

[tomazino]

Ali ono "...in high res..." moze da znaci svasta. Mozda neka suluda eyefinity rezolucija gde 6870 ima 6, a 6970 ima 15 fps, sto moze da bude potpuno beznacajno.

 

[byMaX]

Na XS-su se pojavilo nesto novih (ili novijih) glasina, poreklom iz Rusije...





~2.5 puta iznad 6870, 20% iznad 5970 i 3 puta bolja u teselaciji je way to much, jednostavno ne verujem da je to tacno, arhitektura bi morala da bude mnooooogo efikasnija nego u Evergreenu (to je 5870 + 80%).

I'm with you on this. Previše bi to bilo brže od GTX 580, a onda taj GTX 580 ne bi smeo da košta toliko. Ili će 6970 koštati i više od GTX 580 ))

 

[Dusan K]

A onda za Antilles treba da prodas bubreg na crnom trzistu Cene ce vec nivelisati i jedni i drugi kako budu morali da ispune svoje poslovne planove, to makar nikada nije sporno.

 

[Rapture]

Ali ono "...in high res..." moze da znaci svasta. Mozda neka suluda eyefinity rezolucija gde 6870 ima 6, a 6970 ima 15 fps, sto moze da bude potpuno beznacajno.

Salu na stranu, u eyefinity-u ce se i te kako osetiti vise memorije, i veci protok,ja sam uvideo da u dosta igara mnogo vise utice smanjenje rezolucije, nego prckanje oko samih detalja.

 

[nsdraza]

Salu na stranu, u eyefinity-u ce se i te kako osetiti vise memorije, i veci protok,ja sam uvideo da u dosta igara mnogo vise utice smanjenje rezolucije, nego prckanje oko samih detalja.

Najvise utice antialajzing pa onda rezolucija pa detalji, mada ce kajmak to sve da sazvace i preradi bez problema.

 

[starac]

Radeon HD 6900 series struggling to stay in 2010 for launch.

http://www.nordichardware.com/news/...es-struggling-to-stay-in-2010-for-launch.html

AMD has had a good year in graphics, but during the fall it lost ground and a bit of momentum, not the least when NVIDIA finally rolled out some competitive products. The new performance series Radeon HD 6900 is around the corner, but according to sources to NordicHardware it is moving slowly.

AMD has already postponed the launch once, November 21st was ditched in favor of week 50. The reason for the clouded date is according our sources because of the top model Radeon H 6970. AMD isn't sure the card is ready for launch and as late as yesterday - December 2nd - there was no given date for the two cards that launches in just two weeks.

The positive news we've heard is that little brother, Radeon HD 6950, has started to find its way outside AMD labs and fabs, which means that at least the entry model of the series is coming along.

Big brorther Radeon HD 6970 is more uncertain though and according to reliable sources we should actually be very happy if it does launch this year - and be prepared that it may very well be moved into 2011, which will be needed to see any kind of supply in stores. Radeon HD 6950 is said to be in better shape, but AMD will not launch the Cayman series before Radeon HD 6970 is ready and fit for fight.

NVIDIA will make things more complicated on December 7th with its launch of the GeForce GTX 570. Even if AMD has a broad and stable assortment of graphics card it looks to get a rough end to 2010, where it, worst case scenario, won't get any new performance cards out before the end of the year.

 

[Dusan K]

Dok Charlie pise totalno suprotnu stvar...

IT LOOKS LIKE AMD is having difficulties with their ability to supply 6950s, they just cut AIB allocations. Luckily that is not the only news about the 6900 series today.

Short story, 6950 board allocations were cut and probably delayed a little bit from actual shipments. While it wasn't stated explicitly by our source, word on the street says it is due to a last minute BIOS tweak. This is not unusual for product introductions, and there are zero reports of any hardware problems on any Cayman based board.

The upside to all of this is that the allocation of 6970s just went up, a lot. Some were hinting that numbers are really close to that of the 6950 drop. If you know anything about semiconductor production, that should give you a bit of insight about yields and bin splits.

Jedan od njih je lose informisan, mozda cak i obojica

 

[Lucko]

Da ne osedimo cekujci kao Fermija nam dragog?

 

[tomazino]

U zadnje vreme tacno je obicno ono sto je suprotno od onog sto Charlie pise

 

[PCBeast]

AMD is about to release new graphics cards series – Radeon 6900, which is expected around mid December. AMD and NVIDIA are doing their best to release products before Christmas – time is money. NVIDIA’s GeForce GTX 570 will be released on 7th December. AMD will kick off with their new series, with are believed to compete with NVIDIA’s 500 Series.

Radeon HD 6950
First important information is ‘leaked’ specification which surfaced by Chinese websites. Radeon HD 6950 “Cayman Pro” will be equipped with 1536 stream processors and 32 raster operating units. Core clock is set to 800MHz by stock. Computing speed is measured at 2.4 TFLops. Radeon HD 6950 will support 2GB GDDR5 memory running on 256 bus width. Memory clock is probably 1250MHz (5000 effective). This suggest memory bandwidth near 160GB/s. New Radeon will consume up do 217W of energy while in stress and 19W idle. In order to connect 6950 you will need 6pin connector. This card should have two DVI, one DisplayPort and HDMI outputs by default.

Radeon HD 6970
ChipHell has published screenshot of GPU-z of Radeon 6900 graphics cards. Specification suggest we are seeing Radeon HD 6970 here. GPU-z shows that Radeon HD 6870 will have 1600 stream processors (which is rather low – probably wrong program readings). Radeon HD 6970 will also have 32 raster units. Core clock will be running 890Mhz while memory will be set to 1375MHz by default. Bus width is same as in 6950 – 256bit, however, memory bandwidth is measured at 176GB/s.

UNIKA Radeon HD 6950 (6850?)
Lets start will latest pictures which are supposedly presenting new Radeon HD 6950 from Unika.

I have 6950 and 6970 stock shipping and I’ve paid for it.
I can tell you now the pricing will be:-

6950 @ £270 – £300 Inc. VAT
6970 @ £360 – £400 inc. VAT

I have lots en-route.
Now the 5870′s are sub £200, thats £100 cheaper than a 6950 and same price as a 6870.
People will and are buying 5870′s now they are sub £200 becausepr at sub £200 there is no faster card.
5870 won’t be going £150 or lower, what would be the point, as then 6850/6870 would not sell.
Plus if you think 69xx cards are gonna be £200 then think again and look at my pricing above, again use common sense, why would 6950 be same price as a 6870?

6950 competes with GTX 570/480 and is priced similar.
6970 competes with GTX 580 and is priced similar.