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gledam sad sajt(tvtorrents.ro) sa kog sam skinuo, već su obrisali sa trackera. a u epizodi se jasno vidi da je puštano na ukrajinskoj televiziji, pošto ima one oznake sa godinama u krugu kao kod nas, plus pojavljuju se animacije za najavu nekih emisija. Kako su oni uspeli to da emituju pre amerikanaca?
BTW epizode su dobreeee, malo sam ispreskakao


Update:
malo sam tražio po netu šta pričaju i evo šta sam našao. naime 18, 19 i 20. epizoda su u Ukrajini izašle kao film na dvd-u( sa ukrajinskim i engleskim audiom) pošto im je priča povezana. Naravno dok ih ne emituju u US and A neće biti titlova. badass ukranians


A moze li su u nekoj kucnoj varijanti ukloniti Ukrajinski audio i da ostane onaj Engleski u pozadini, ionako je lose odradjeno i cuju se pocetci i krajevi recenica glumaca na jednom a sredisnji delovi na drugom jeziku pa zbunjuje mozak...
Pozdrav ,)
 
mislim da bez audio fajla na engleskom ne može.

Sad sam odgledao LOST The End, nisam se ovako isplakao od Battlestar Galactice i zadnje epizode SG1. Baš je odlična epizoda ali mislim da će se retko kome svideti.
 
neka, happyends nisu u modi :D

sad kad sam se malo smirio, ne znam kako ste vi shvatili:

1. Ono uopšte nije bila alternativna realnost već "mesto" koje su oni sami "napravili" da se jednog dana sretnu tamo kad svi budu mrtvi. Pošto je na ostrvu Hugo tek postao čuvar, ispred crkve on kaže Benu da je bio sjajan NO2 a ovaj njemu da je bio odličan NO1, znači da su i njih dvojica završili sa čuvanjem ostrva, mada se ne može znati nakon koliko vremena. Takođe Jacku ćale kaže we all die eventually, što znači da to što su oni napravili postoji van vremena i da su trebali svi da umru da bi se tu okupili i nastavili dalje prema svetlosti. Naj emotivniji delovi su mi bili kad se dodirnu pa počnu da se prisećaju, i sad mi je knedla u grlu dok kucam ovo. To je baš urađeno vrhunski, ono baš te dirne.
2. Kate, Sawyer, Claire, Miles, Alpert i Lapidus su otišli sa ostrva a Hugo, Ben, Desmond, Vincent, Rose i Bernard su ostali. Ne znam šta se desilo sa Widmore-om ili sam zaboravio već. Zadnja scena je odlična, obrnuta od početka. Jack je preživeo pad aviona i otvara oči na početku, dok na kraju na istom mestu leži i umire.
3. Krivo mi je zbog neobjašnjenih stvari a svi znamo koje su to. Takođe ovo je trebalo da traje dva i po sata a ne sat i četrdesetak minuta. Bar su tako najavljivali da će biti. Naravno kad izađe na Blu-Rayu biće directors cut koji će trajati toliko nadam se.
Nisam očekivao da me Lost rasplače ali *** išli su na to. Garant su mislili ako već ne možemo da smislimo dovoljno dobra objašnjenja ajde da lepo rasplačemo ljude pa bar neki efekat da postignemo :D
 
Mislim da je 2 i po sata sa sve reklamama :d Dok ovako oko 1:40

I ja sam isto skapirao kao i ti u stavci pod 1. I moram reci da su ga smuljali onako lamerski. Sve u svemu smor...
 
konacno odgledao (bio sam skinuo pogresnu epizodu i to u hd, pa dok se skinula koja treba ...:d)
nije mi bilo lamerski posto nisam toliko ni ocekivao, nije bilo toliko toga ni da se kaze
neki odgovori se sami namecu, neki su izmedju redova a neki su ostali da sam odgovoris sebi...ako pogledas....zbog sve te misterije smo i gledali...ne bi bilo fer na kraju kvariti zabavu

1. kontam kao zagrobni zivot...imali su sve sto nisu imali na ostrvu...svi su morali umreti..neki pre neki kasnije...cak je i richard poceo da stari
hugo je verovatno zadnji umro dok nije nasao zamenu
2. desmond koliko sam skontao je otisao sa ostrva (ben i hugo)

svideo mi se deo kad su izvukli "cep" i prestala da vaze sva pravila na ostrvu i naravno scena kad jack sklapa oci (ne zato sto me nervirao :D)
i avion prelece

ocekivao sam bar na sekund jos michelle rodriguez..ali nista...samo me to razocaralo :D
 
Odlično finale:

Onaj Alt timeline što je išao kroz celu šestu sezonu je u stvari neka vrsta čistilišta... Ono što se desilo na ostrvu se stvarno desilo, Jack je umro, Hurley i Ben su nastavili da vode ostrvo, ostali su se se vratili, itd. Mnogo mi se svidelo ono kada je Jack pitao Kristijana "Why are they here now?" i on mu odgovorio "There is no now here", jer u čistilištu vreme ne postoji i ne teče, bar ne na način koji mi možemo da uvidimo, tako da nema veze ko je kada umro da bi se sastali. Pokazali su da je serija bila o likovima, a ne o samoj misteriji ostrva. Jesu ostala mnoga pitanja neodgovorena, ali posle ovakvog finala mi nije ni toliko bitno.
 
pa bitno je (ko do sad nije odgledao, taj nije fan lost-a, pa necu ni da stavljam spoiler-e)

pre svega - ne mozesh menjati emocije za misteriju.

CELA poenta ove serije je da je bila Mindfuck. isto kao matematichki zadatak, ili zagonetka - NEMA SVRHE ako nema odgovora. to shto su pokushali da nas uhvate na emociej je jako jeftin pokushaj - ali ja se osecam pokradeno, kao gledaoc.

pre svega - NISHTA na ostrvu shto se deshavalo nema svrhu. sasvim opushteno su mogli da se nadju i na livadi, ili u zatvoru, pada kraj serije ovakav kakav jeste opravda situaciju.

Ko je izgradio svetlo (poshto vidimo da je man made) ?
Kako su u medjuvremenu Jacob i Nemesis saznali ko su i shta su ?
Zashto ljudi odabiraju da chuvaju svetlo, kad NIKO, zajedno sa kevom ove dvojice ne znaju shta je ?
Odalke cela egipatska gungula, statusa Tawaret-a, i crtezi po zidu ?
Ko daje moc ostrvu, ujedno i chuvarima svetla da budu besmrtni, i da budu dzedaji ?
Kakve veze sa bilo chim imaju sada Dharma, elektromagnetizam, Faradej, i sve ostalo shto je ishlo po 3-4 sezone kao bitna pricha ?
Kako je u vreme hrista Nemesis skapirao da moze sa tochkom i sa svetlom da ispomera ostrvo ? (arhimede pojedi *****, a njutne ne morash ni da se rodish)
Zashto se Nemesis pretvorio u dim, kad je sasvim JASNO da je njegov motiv sa pochetka zivota bio CHIST, a to je da ostavi svoju majku ubicu, i ode sa ostrva ? on UOPSHTE nije losha osoba, vec neko ko je morao da pati od svog rodjenja - da bude zakucan na shugavom ostrvu.
Na koji nachin Jacob odredjuje "pravila" i shta je to shto ih drzi kao validne ?

i josh hiljadu pitanja ...

Carlton Cuse i Damon Lindelof su zapravo dva velika
govnara
 
+1
I mene je kraj razocarao, narocito sam alergican na religijske/matrix/snovi varijante objasnjenja svega sto se desavalo...


Doduse, evo jednog detaljnog opisa iz 'viable' izvora, poduze je ali mislim da objasnjava neka razmisljanja i odluke pisaca scenarija serije...
Good stuff on here! I can finally throw in my two cents! I've had to bite my tongue for far too long. Also, hopefully I can answer some of John's questions about Dharma and the "pointless breadcrumbs" that really, weren't so pointless ...

First ...
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.

In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.

Source: SpoilerTV
 
Igoritza svaka čast za post. Svaka ti je na mestu a pogotovu ova u spoiler-u.
Ima tu još mnogo pitanja da se postavi ali ova nekako iskaču.
Više ne bih da gubim vreme na LO(L)ST.
 
Poenta: najzadovoljniji je onaj koji nije ni počeo pratiti LOST :)
 
Pokušavam od juče da napišem post o Lost završnici ali mi nikako ne ide.
Jednostavno, nemam osam sati slobodno za kucanje. Odprilike toliko bi mi trebalo da kažem šta mislim. Milion ne odgovorenih pitanja. Nisam očekivao da će se svi odgovori naći u zadnjoj epizodi ali c`mon! vređate moju inteligenciju.
Što reče scheilinkin umalo me nije rasplakala zadnja epizoda. Ne zbog romantičnih scena već što sam posle pola sata ukapirao kako će se završiti. Glavni problem - kupusarenje sa svime i svačime. Od treće sezone su krenuli da ubacuju nove misteriozne stvari pa su do šeste ostavili toliko otvorenih pitanja da ih još dve sezone ne bi oprale. Da su se fokusirali na, recimo dve najbitnije stvari: time travel & god and evil fight daleko bolje bi prošli.
Opet sam počeo da pišem kilometarski post. Žao mi je što su odličnu ideju i veliki potencijal ovako patetično završili. Mind fyck. Pa moj mind bi mogao da smisli deset puta bolju završnicu.
Odoh da formatiram hard. Nepotrebno sam ga isprljao juče.
 
wow ljudi Chuck je zakon, naravno mislim na ovo dvosatno finale sezone. kako su dobro odradili
 
Stvarno ste najgori geekovi sa lostpedia foruma. Vi stvarno očekujete sve da vam objasne? Sci-fi/fantasy/supernatural serija i vi očekujete da vam neko da sva objašnjenja po zakonima fizike. Gledajte onda neki dokumentarac... I meni je bedak što nisu objasnili neke stvari, ali je LOST jedina serija koja je ovoliko zaludela fanove sa objašnjenjima, ali su, opet pišem ovo, pokazali da serija nije bila uopšte o misteriji već o likovima, a sad koliko je vama teško da to prihvatite, to je vaša stvar.
 
takvo i ja misljenje imam...mada mozda je zbog toga sto sam gledao sve u cugu a ne godinama...jedino sto sam ovu 6 sezonu gledao kako je izlazila...mozda zato nemam taj osecaj nedorecenosti...npr pitanja na koje igoritza trazi odgovor mene uopste ne zanimaju..ne zato sto nisam fan losta nego zato sto je to meni najmanje bitno

treba to pogledati jos jednom sad kad je prica kompletirana :D
 
Zavrsilo se kako bi i trebalo da se zavrsi...Hebe mi se za misterije, arhimeda, fiziku i sl...serija je koketirala sa svime time, ali to nije (i ne treba) da bude u prvom planu. Uostalom, malo li je bullshit serija koje se bave putovanjima kroz svemir i shatro imaju odgovor na sve.
Uostalom, kao sto su glavni likovi bili skroz sporedni u svemu za Jackoba i onog drugog, to je na kraju vazilo i u obrnutom smeru.
Ne mora na sve da se da odgovor, danas je retkost u industriji zabave da se toliko prepusti gledaocu na razmisljanje i mastanje. I finalni obrt u seriji, kad Jack prica sa ocem...kao i gomila prethodnih. Sve se srusi, i nesto novo se sazna...i gomila novih otvorenih pitanja. Koliko god da sam tuzan zbog onakvog kraja, ne mogu da pljujem ni zbog cega. Bese dobra zabava.

Eh, sta da se radi... Posle Twin Peaks-a, X-Files-a, zavrsi se i Lost. Ceka se nesto novo...
 
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Mene fascinira kako ljudi koji gledaju Lost puštaju da ih godinama vodaju šargarepom na kanapu, a na kraju ni ne dobiju šargarepu...
Znam, znam... it's all in the journey :p, al' ja ipak volim da znam kada idem negde da ću tamo i stići.
 
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Zavisi sta je za koga sargarepa, zar ne?
 
Lost je prva maistream sc fi serija koliko ja znam, tako da sam siguran da je više bilo onih koji su je gledali zbog trilerskog osećaja nego zbog sci fi-ja. Ja sam dugo odbijao da krenem da je gledam jer u mom društvu se niko ne loži na sci fi ali su svi pratili lost sa uživanjem, a ja sam upravo zbog toga smatrao da je trash. I tek jesenas sam odlučio da je pogledam u potpunosti prvi put. Ako je istina da su na početku znali kraj a bila je namenjena široj publici onda onako nešto uopšte ne iznenađuje. U šestoj sezoni je sve moglo krenuti drugim tokom, e sad da bi svima udovoljili trebali su da snime dve verzije šeste sezone i da svako odabere koja mu se više dopada. Jednu sa svim naučnofantastičnim obajšnjenjima a drugu ovakvu. To bi definitivno bio breaktrough na televiziji.
Filmovi imaju alternative ending, zašto i serija ne bi ...
 
^^Istina.
Priznajem, nisam odgledao kraj Lost-a pa sudim samo na osnovu komentara (prestao sam da ga pratim početkom treće sezone), ali ne volim aktuelni trend gde se radi na tome da se gledaoci što više zbune i misle da iza svega stoji neka velika genijalna tajna, a zapravo je to samo taktika da se prikrije nemaštovitost scenarista.

@scheilinkin
Pa već postoje takve stvari. Zovu se video igre ;)
 
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Problem sa LOST-om je što su scenaristi napisali samo 3 sezone a kasnije su to i potvrdili u jednom od intervjua. Posle toga je usledilo veštačko razvlačenje i nabacivanje ideja koje se završilo kako se završilo.
 
^^Istina.
Priznajem, nisam odgledao kraj Lost-a pa sudim samo na osnovu komentara (prestao sam da ga pratim početkom treće sezone), ali ne volim aktuelni trend gde se radi na tome da se gledaoci što više zbune i misle da iza svega stoji neka velika genijalna tajna, a zapravo je to samo taktika da se prikrije nemaštovitost scenarista.

@scheilinkin
Pa već postoje takve stvari. Zovu se video igre ;)

pa vidi mi avatar
 
neko na nekom forumu je napisao -

"lost je bajka, i kao u svakoj bajci, za zmaja je bitno da je tu, a ne odakel taj zmaj" (mozda i ovde prevideh)

e pa da mu odgovorim, gde god da je taj sa zmajem -

u bajkama, za sve te fantazijske svetove, ima objashnjenje, o nekom bogu, nalik na biblijsko:

"bio je Ao/Eu/bog/svemocni mocjko - i stvorio svet, i pevao pesmu/svirao 'armoniku i iz njegove melodije kompleksne, stvori se svet komplikovan kakav jeste danas, i nastadoshe vilenjaci, shumadinci, zmajevi, ale, goblini i slichno

CHAK I TO je *ebeno objashnjenje - u lostu ga nema. BASH kako Dandy reche - koja je poenta zagonetke, ako ne dobijesh odgovor na to ?

to je kao da ja napravim smicalicu na forumu, osmislim MEGA komplikovan zadatak, i postavim u temi, i vi se svi naprzite, kao - u jeee, kakav je Igoritza legenda, vidi ovo shto je ekstra, aj da smislimo reshenje - i onda posle 2-3 godine, ja kazem - hahaha, nema reshenja!

pa doshlo bi jedno bar 10 chlanova da me prebije, a da sam im rekao makar - 42, to ne bi bila situacija. lost to nije uradio.
 
A u zadatku nema nekog hinta tipa: what is 6 times 9 in base 13 ;) nego imaš neko lepo začešljano čudovište koje se zaljubljuje :p I na kraju svima je drago što čudovište ima emocije a ne koji je odgovor na pitanje jer je zadatak govorio o osećanjima čudovišta, majku mu.
 
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Lost Secrets Revealed:

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Answers ?

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Cameron will answer everything.
 
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A uvek mogu da odrade film u fazonu Final Fantasy, mozda bi tako bilo i bolje.
 
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