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Evo jos problema -- G86 za desktop isto neispravni cipovi:
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/08/25/nvidia-changes-desktop-g86

A izgleda da ce i Derek Perez imati problema posle ovoga:
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/08/26/nvidia-director-finds-keynote

Go Sylvie, Go!!!
haha, ovo je vrh! Kao i riba! 😉

akocemo pravo, Derek je 100% u pravu! Jensen-Jobs-wannabe je imao zzesce smoran keynote, a i dress code mu je bio promasen... jedan je Jobs i samo on moze uvek da se pojavljuje u izlizanim farmeraka i istoj polu-rolci!
 
Ma, uvek je zanimljivo (do bola) citati kako je neko tamo podrignuo, a naslov kaze "OTROV U HRANI"...

Bas 'do bola' zanimljivo, pre sam jos i mogao nesto uloviti tamo
sada su totalno poludeli kao da su besni na svakoga i oko
najmanjih sitnica razglabaju bez nekog posebnog smisla.

Ovo je informatika daj informaciju i ne s*ri.
 
Ovo je informatika daj informaciju i ne s*ri.

Informacija je primljena i shvacena poruka, odnosno podatak koji ima kontekst.

Ono sto ti trazis (a zoves informacija) je sirov podatak bez tumacenja i konteksta. Za to ces morati sam da odes na lice mesta i da hvatas beleske pa da zatim iz njih izvuces neki smisao.

Cuo sam i komentar NVIDIA CEO-a da IDF "nije tako veliki" -- ma ne... uopste. Pitam se jel bio on nekad tamo ili s*re napamet. Verovatno se IDF odrzava u ovoj trospratnoj hali zato sto nije veliki.

Evo jos malo blamaze za NVIDIJU -- na IDF-u smo mogli da zadrzimo 3D naocari:
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Neki likovi su cujem delili ove letke na NVISION-u:


A sto se Sylvie Barak tice, pogledajte video (Link) ili ga skinite (Link, 55.3MB, mp4 format). Zanimljiv deo pocinje na 00:09:00 😉
 
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sto vise gledam postove poput poslednjeg posta audiofreak-a i sto vise citam textove poput onih gluposti iz inq. - to vise cenim nV.
Meni licno je Sylvia Barak totalno neinteresantna, pogotovo sto ne mogu da provalim da li se pravila glupa u onom videu ili je stvarno glupaca...
 
Wow...Carlijeva skola, zaista.


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NVIDIA left some 3D glasses on all of our seats, it looks like NVIDIA may be doing a 3D demo similar to what Intel did last week at IDF. The glasses are more expensive and it sounds like they want them back after the show - exciting

Dobro vam Intel nije oduzeo i te kartonske sto vam je udelio:beat:

Ah da...da ne zaboravimo TRI SPRATA :zgran: (iako ih imade DVA) 😀
 
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Dobro vam Intel nije oduzeo i te kartonske sto vam je udelio :beat:

Pa nije Intel sirotinja da mora da trazi nazad 3D naocari kao neki :d

Evo mojih, i kao sto vidis nisu kartonske:


Ah da...da ne zaboravimo TRI SPRATA :zgran: (iako ih imade DVA) 😀

Dobro ne budi bukvalista, nema tri sprata po srpskoj nomenklaturi ali ima tri nivoa -- u prizemlju je velika hala u kojoj je tehnology showcase (izlozba, sponzori, etc), na prvom spratu se odrzavaju technical sessions, chalk talks, labs, itd, a na drugom spratu (sto oni zovu third floor) je keynote hall i deo za novinare.
 
Meh, nisu Dolby 😀 STIPSE.
 
Sto ne bi imali veze?Dolby se bavi raznim stvarima...ipak su to neke labAratorije :d

http://www.dolby.com/professional/motion_picture/solutions_d3ddc.html

A ovo je mozda i nesporazum.Sta ako su naocare oko koga se vodi ova (ingeniozna) prica zapravo deo inventara teatra u kom se vrsila prezentacija nvidie...?


Al da ste STiPSE, jeste. 😀

Btw, sta ste vi uopste gledali tim cvidzama?Powerpoint dijagrame, ili onu novinarku koja je verovatno bila jedino zensko celjade tamo?
 
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Jos jedan post o IDFu i ode Silvija u NIL:
 
Informacija je primljena i shvacena poruka, odnosno podatak koji ima kontekst.

Ono sto ti trazis (a zoves informacija) je sirov podatak bez tumacenja i konteksta. Za to ces morati sam da odes na lice mesta i da hvatas beleske pa da zatim iz njih izvuces neki smisao.

Jel' ti to ozbiljno ili se samo pravis pametan? Ne treba da tumacis svaku rec
bukvalno i preokreces je u svoju korist, to je samo dosadno, Inquirer i jeste
za takve..

Evo ovo je naprimer izvor informacija.
 
E sad jos Kurir ili Press na napisu clanak o tome kako NV ima gresku u svojim chipovima pa da zavrsimo sa ovom pricom. Evo, dok kucam ovu poruku, temperatura mog Quadro 1600M je 50C, a kuler se ne cuje.
 
Myth 1 - NVIDIA has denied responsibility for the failures and is blaming suppliers and partners.

In our announcements accept responsibility for the failures. We DO call out the material failure but we also acknowledge that our suppliers and notebook designs because this is true and we need to disclose this in our official statements to the SEC. We would not go on record with the SEC making such bold claims if they weren’t true. See our Form 8-K statement below.

Myth 2 – There is an “official story” that the problems were limited a batch of a few bad parts for HP.

We have never issued a statement like this. See our publics statements below.

Where is source for that?

Myth 3 – NVIDIA is forcing a fix on notebook makers

The idea that a supplier like NVIDIA can dictate a fix to the world’s largest PC makers is preposterous.
The truth is the notebook makers determining their own course of action and we are supporting them.

Where is source for that?

Myth 4 – NVIDIA is trying to cuts our financial liability.

We put aside $200M to help partners solve this problem for consumers. As far as we know NVIDIA is the first and only chip maker to help fund the cost for repairs.


Myth 5 – This affects desktop chips, G92, G94, etc.

We have only seen this problem on notebooks. We just reiterated this during an official financial call. Once again we would not say this if it wasn’t true. Note we have not disclosed the specific GPUs but we have stated this impact previous generation GPUs and that current gen GPUs are not in production.

Fact

Charlie has an obvious bias against NVIDIA and he has no sources to back up his claims. Out of all of the hundreds upon hundreds of notebooks models designed with NVIDIA chips in the last few years, only a small number of these have experienced the problem. Within this small number of models, only a small percentage actually experience the chip failure. It is highly unlike a notebook user will experience the problem. And we have never seen this problem on desktop.

Official communication about the notebook chip material failures.

Quarterly Business Update Press Release – July 2
http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1215037160521.html

“Separately, NVIDIA plans to take a one-time charge from $150 million to $200 million against cost of revenue for the second quarter to cover anticipated warranty, repair, return, replacement and other costs and expenses, arising from a weak die/packaging material set in certain versions of its previous generation GPU and MCP products used in notebook systems. Certain notebook configurations with GPUs and MCPs manufactured with a certain die/packaging material set are failing in the field at higher than normal rates. To date, abnormal failure rates with systems other than certain notebook systems have not been seen. NVIDIA has initiated discussions with its supply chain regarding this material set issue and the Company will also seek to access insurance coverage for this matter. “

Form 8-K – July 2
http://www.secinfo.com/d14D5a.t4ehp.htm

“On July 2, 2008, NVIDIA Corporation stated that it would take a $150 million to $200 million charge against cost of revenue to cover anticipated customer warranty, repair, return, replacement and other consequential costs and expenses arising from a weak die/packaging material set in certain versions of our previous generation MCP and GPU products used in notebook systems. All newly manufactured products and all products currently shipping in volume have a different and more robust material set.

The previous generation MCP and GPU products that are impacted were included in a number of notebook products that were shipped and sold in significant quantities. Certain notebook configurations of these MCP and GPU products are failing in the field at higher than normal rates. While we have not been able to determine a root cause for these failures, testing suggests a weak material set of die/package combination, system thermal management designs, and customer use patterns are contributing factors. We have developed and have made available for download a software driver to cause the system fan to begin operation at the powering up of the system and reduce the thermal stress on these chips. We have also recommended to our customers that they consider changing the thermal management of the MCP and GPU products in their notebook system designs. We intend to fully support our customers in their repair and replacement of these impacted MCP and GPU products that fail.

We have begun discussions with our supply chain regarding reimbursement to us for some or all of the costs we have incurred and may incur in the future relating to the weak material set. We will also seek to access our insurance coverage. We continue to not see any abnormal failure rates in any systems using NVIDIA products other than certain notebook configurations. However, we are continuing to test and otherwise investigate other products. There can be no assurance that we will not discover defects in other MCP or GPU products.”

Press statement – emailed to press July – 15


“NVIDIA’s highest priority is to ensure complete satisfaction and delight for all of our customers. We fully stand behind our products and are cooperating with our partners to resolve the recently announced notebook field failure issue.

Please remember the following:

1) The issue is limited to a few notebook chips only; we have not seen and don't expect to see this issue on any NVIDIA-based desktop systems.

2) Only a very small percentage of the notebook chips that have shipped are potentially affected, and the problem depends on a combination of environmental conditions, configuration and usage model.

3) We continue to work closely with our partners and have taken the necessary steps to ensure that all NVIDIA chips currently in production do not exhibit the problem.

As a result, it is very unlikely that your NVIDIA-based notebook product is affected.”

Financial call transcript – August 13

http://seekingalpha.com/article/9064...=yahoo&page=-1


Jen-Hsun Huang

“We also noted that we would be taking a non-recurring charge against cost of revenue to cover anticipated customer warranty, repair/return replacement and other associated costs resulting from a weak die/packaging material set in certain previous generation GPU and MCP products using notebooks. Although the failures are only seen in a small percentage of all the chips we shipped with this material set, the repair cost of a notebook can be expensive. In total, we took a charge of $196 million. We will continue to support on OEM partners on responding and resolving end customer issues.”


Jen-Hsun Huang – in response to whether we expect to incur additional charges beyond what we set aside to assist notebook makers with repairs

“We’re not expecting more write-downs in the future. When we scoped out the problem, we had -- we felt we had enough data to project out the anticipated failures from the various platforms that are out there. This doesn’t happen to all of our chips and it doesn’t happen to most of the notebooks that are out there. There are only a few examples of them and of all the notebooks that have shipped. So we think we have a pretty good handle on the situation but -- and we thought that we were relatively conservative but we’ll see how it goes.”


Jen-Hsun Huang – in response to a question about how this impact future orders from notebook makers

Frankly, on the work that we are doing supporting our OEMs to help them repair and to support their end users, frankly all of our engagement with all of our OEMs, they have been just delighted by the work that we are doing. Obviously this isn’t something we absolutely need to do but we stepped up to do it because we think it’s the right thing to do. And so each case is a little different, so we have to look at each case carefully but our open-minded approach and our good partnership approach is welcomed by all the OEMs. And so if this is going to be anything at all, it should be a positive.

Da li ce uopste odgovarati na klevetanja vezana za g9x seriju cipova, cisto sumnjam...najzastupljanije kartice na desktop racunarima su (prema hw-botu i 3d marku) 8800GT, a nigde ne videh zalbe i nekakva masovna crkavanja.No dobro, to je opet nvidia sakrila...
 
Da li ce uopste odgovarati na klevetanja vezana za g9x seriju cipova, cisto sumnjam...najzastupljanije kartice na desktop racunarima su (prema hw-botu i 3d marku) 8800GT, a nigde ne videh zalbe i nekakva masovna crkavanja.No dobro, to je opet nvidia sakrila...

Lepo kaze Charlie da failure rate zavisi od broja thermal cycle-ova i efikasnosti hladjenja. Zato desktop parts imaju manji failure rate. Uostalom to sto su svi cipovi defektni ne znaci i da ce svi crci -- neki hoce, neki nece. Ko hoce da se kocka kupice laptop sa 8400 i 8600, ko nece cekace 9xxxM seriju da se dokaze ili jednostavno uzeti ATI kao sto sam uradio ja.
 
^Da, fino je on to spakovao da bi izgledalo "istinAto"...a kad se samo setim dreke na fabricki sistem hladjenja 8800GT...grejale su se samo tako, ljudi su ih i pored toga overklokovali i opet nista od crkavanja.
 
Class action protiv NVIDIJE

Uhoh... ovo je vec ozbiljno -- shareholder Lisa Miller zapocela class action tuzbu protiv NVIDIJE : Link

Ukratko, optuzuje ih da su znali za problem oko cipova mnogo ranije i precutali te da su kao posledica loseg odnosa prema investitorima akcije drasticno pale izazivajuci veliki gubitak deonicarima.
 
Naravno njen class action ce doneti samo popularnost i skok vrednosti akcija....
 
From the Valve survey (http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html) the DX10 video cards used on Vista:

148,728 nVidia
22,741 ATI

Of course, who knows about non-DX10 cards on Vista. However, normalized that gives us:

nVidia market share: 148,728 / 22,741 = 6.54
Therefore, 48% / 6.54 = 7.34%

This reads: If your crash rate is 7.34% on Vista but you have 6.54 times the market share, it will appear that you cause crashes 48% of the time *compared to your competitor*.

An actual user will experience less crashes with an nvidia DX10 card on Vista than an ATI DX10.

(Remember: This does not take into account non-DX10 cards, which may or may not crash as often.)


Sta li reci za Intelove integruse...prema udelu na trzistu, verovatno bi ispalo da svaki BSOD-uje u visti 😀 ako neki uopste i podrzava DX10.
Statistika is a bitch 😛
 
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Potpuno pogrešna računica, ovo se odnosi samo na korisnike Steam-a, a to ni po čemu nije reprezentativni uzorak.
Po ovome je tržišni udeo nVidia-je je 6.5 puta veći od AMD/ATI-ja što naravno nema blage veze.
 
160+ hiljada i nije tako los uzorak za statistiku, zar ne?

But hell, ova vista crash statistika je verovatno bez greske, pljuje nvidijine drajvere i uostalom, charli je rek'o svoje.

Ja cekam JEDAN bsod uzrokovan nv drajverima na ovoj masini (vista x64) i nikako da se desi :S: cak ni da crkne graficka, posto su svi nv chipovi falicni...maler :d
 
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Uzorak nije mali ali nije reprezentativan. Korisnik Steam-a nije tipičan korisnik računara. To bi isto bilo kao kad bi otišao na otvaranje BITEF-a, pitao goste o tome za koga bi glasali i zaključio da je LDP najpopularnija stranka u Srbiji.
Naravno da Čarlijeva matematika nema blage veze, ali je ova druga još gora.
 
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Ne kapiram bas..?Nisu valjda korisnici Steam-a zadrti nvidijaci?
Radi se o ljudima koji igraju igre, i to je po meni OK grupa za analizu da li im video drajveri krahiraju ili ne.
Koliki je globalni odnos NV prema AMD karticama ja ne znam tacno, negde sam video te brojke ali me mrzi da trazim, moja je poenta- Statistika is a bitch...
 
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Tržišni udeli: nVidia ima oko 30%, ATi negde oko 20%, Intel više od 40%.
Steam korisnici nisu tipični igrači a driveri pucaju i van igrica.
 
160+ hiljada i nije tako los uzorak za statistiku, zar ne?

But hell, ova vista crash statistika je verovatno bez greske, pljuje nvidijine drajvere i uostalom, charli je rek'o svoje.

Ja cekam JEDAN bsod uzrokovan nv drajverima na ovoj masini (vista x64) i nikako da se desi :S: cak ni da crkne graficka, posto su svi nv chipovi falicni...maler :d

Meni se desilo ali na nf520 chipsetu, posle instaliranja drajvera za chipset trazio je restart i posle toga vise nije bilo moguce uci u Vistu, BSOD pada odmah posle vozica. Obrisani drajveri, uradjen repair ali bez uspeha, morala je Vista opet da se instalira. Guglao sam malo i koliko sam mogao da vidim to je vrlo cest problem 😉
 
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