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Ovi novi trendovi i tehnologije bude u ljudima ono najvažnije: smisao za humor!
Ovo je naduhovitiji (i uz to informativan) thread u skorije vreme.

I kad pise u naslovu Nv (ili ati ili intel) u problemima ... Srbija bi prodala sedalni predeo za gangbang da se muci ko neka od spomenutih kompanija.
 
Da nije ovakvih tema Bench bi bio dosadan 😀
 
meni ne...
 
Čarli nastavlja sa pričom 😉. Naime izgleda da su osim mobilnih pogođeni i desktop čipovi, specifično: G84 i G86:
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/09/nvidia-g84-g86-bad

Pa ako ovako nastave, šteta će im biti mnogo veća od 200-300 miliončića. Nadam se da se neće otkriti da i G92 ima probleme.🙂
Živo me interesuje da li je neko na ovim prostorima imao problema sa riknjavanjem nVidia čipova, bilo u mobile ili desktop segmentu?

P.S. Izgleda da onaj pericin išijas sve ozbiljnije hvata nVidiju, pa su im krive tesne pantalone, promaja, preteški kamenčići...
 
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Zar Rambus još uvek postoji? Izgleda. Šta li su čekali sve ove godine (pominju i SDR memoriju)?
 
Evo sve lepo sumirano na jednom mestu (izvor Anandtech):

NVIDIA:
Believe it or not, AMD may have the more enviable situation at the moment. NVIDIA's stock price is nowhere near their own record lows, but that hasn't stopped the company's stock from experimenting with the laws of gravity. The price has dropped by over 33% in a single day this month, illustrating just how bad things are for NVIDIA at the moment. Right now NVIDIA is dealing with these specific issues:

1) Q2 revenue is now expected to come in well below earlier estimates, prompting the company to issue an earnings warning that was the result of the steep drop in stock price. What should have been another profitable quarter for the company may now be their first loss in the last few years.

2) The source of #1 has a lot to do with their current product situation: The new GTX 2xx series is not selling as well or for as much as anyone predicted. The reviews and subsequent price drops tell the tale: NVIDIA's most expensive GPU yet simply doesn't perform well enough compared to AMD's latest parts to justify the price NVIDIA was targeting. What will be AMD's boon is NVIDIA's loss, a great deal of GPU profit.

3) Another black hole for revenue this quarter will be defective products. NVIDIA is expecting to lose some 200 million dollars on replacing defective products above and beyond the usual failure rates. They have not specified what exactly is broken and in need of replacement, but the best theory we've heard so far is that there's a substrate problem with some of their mobile GPUs, resulting in the chips breaking their own substrate at temperatures they should be able to handle. 200 million dollars buys a lot of chips, so this doesn't appear to be a small problem. The bigger loss however will be the loss of faith in the company from OEMs who will be repairing laptops using these defective chips.

4) Finally, just to add insult to injury, Rambus is suing NVIDIA. We've talked about the saga of Rambus before, and this is just the continuation of it. The courts have upheld their patents in spite of their underhanded scheming with the JEDEC, so now they're free to go after anyone and everyone involved with memory. NVIDIA is being sued for infringement due to their memory controllers on their GPUs and motherboard chipsets, stretching from their early SDR controllers to their latest GDDR3 controllers. Rambus is playing hard and fast, on top of monetary damages they're looking for an injunction against NVIDIA to keep them from shipping further infringing products, most likely to encourage the company to settle out of court rather than risk a crippling injunction. In either case the situation is an expensive one for NVIDIA, they'll have to spend a great deal of cash on defending themselves, and should they settle Rambus will undoubtedly ask for a great deal of cash too (along with a percentage of all GPU and chipset sales).

In the long term NVIDIA is still in a better position than AMD since they're not continually losing money hand over fist, but it doesn't mean that these problems won't have ramifications in the future. NVIDIA wouldn't be the first company to shift around its product lines or slow down their R&D efforts in order to make a quarter or two look better, although for obvious reasons we hope it does not come to that. This much bad news at once is certainly unprecedented for NVIDIA.
 
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Pa, ja mislim da je veca verovatnoca da proglase patente nevazecim nego da zabrane uvoz/proizvodnju/prodaju jer onda ako dobro kontam cene idu na gore a to nikom ne odgovara....
mislim sta se sve ne patentira to je znaci .... katastrofa.. ako su patentirali rad na silaznu ivicu takta onda svaka cast na patent
 
ako sam dobro skontao po ovome
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=aQsp.5OMWMHs&refer=asia
Rambus-u ce da proglase sve patente ili vecinu nevazecim

Ti bas ne znas da citas genuine:

A U.S. judge was asked by Hynix Semiconductor Inc. to consider a decision by federal regulators to review four Rambus Inc. patents at issue in the companies' patent-infringement lawsuit.

Ne znam od kada su 4 patenta svi ili vecina od vise od 900 patenata koje Rambus ima. Evo jednog veoma zanimljivog komentara koji sam pronasao:

The whole business about Rambus and Jedec is a classic "big lie"

The facts are that Rambus invented and patented it's core technology years before joining Jedec. While US patent APPLICATIONS were, at the time, secret, Rambus also applied for a European patent which was published by the EPO (and which was word-for-word identical to the US patent). Thirty major memory makers signed non-Disclosure and were TAUGHT about what Rambus had invented by Rambus. Internal documents from the memory makers show that they knew and understood the significance of Rambus' developments and that their products likely would infringe Rambus' patents. Rambus tried to present it's technology to Jedec for adoption as a Jedec standard and is the only member in the history of Jedec to be denied permission to make a presentation ... THREE TIMES. THERE WAS NO "DECEPTION" AT JEDEC.

The facts, if you dig down below the lies that far too many believe, are that Rambus invented (starting in 1989) inventions without which NO form of memory since SDRAM (1996) can be built. They have over 900 patents issued and/or applied for, that will cover all forms of semiconductor memory now known or contemplated through the year 2021. The FACT is the the major memory industry players (Including AT LEAST Infineon (now Quimonda), Micron, Samsung, Hynix) CONSPIRED to both steal Rambus' patents without paying for them AND to attempt to put Rambus out of business.

Again, I ask you, what choice does Rambus have other than to sue?

Yet, Rambus is NOT a "highly litigious" company, they have only filed 4 patent infringement lawsuits in their entire nearly 20-year existence (and one anti-trust lawsuit). Many of the cases now in court were filed not by Rambus but against Rambus (including the Hynix and Micron cases now in process).

But the simple fact is, to suggest that Rambus should not bring litigation is to suggest that someone who has been continuously robbed on a daily basis since 1996, and who is still, to this day, being robbed every single day, should do nothing and not use the courts or law enforcement to get the thieves to stop and, indeed, to pay for what they have already stolen.

When the facts are looked at in detail (which takes about a 4-week trial) ... as they have been on 4 different occasions by the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, by Chief FTC Administrative Law Judge McGuire (in the longest trial in FTC history), by the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia and by a jury in the Hynix case, it is always found that Rambus is simply not guilty of any wrong doing. Yes, a corrupt US Federal Judge and an out of control Federal Trade Commission motivated by politics rather than the law did find otherwise. Both were overturned on appeal to two different higher courts.

Koliko je sve to tacno ne znam (ne mogu da proverim ovako na brzinu) ali mi zvuci uverljivo, pogotovo kada se uzme u obzir da su neki clanovi memorijskog kartela vec u cuzi zbog namestanja cena memorije.

Takodje treba imati u vidu da su sve pomenute firme samo dzinovski stanceraji cipova, i da im je jedini R&D onaj vezan za proces proizvodnje, a ne za tehnologiju rada same memorije i kontrolera. To vam dodje kao kada bi TSMC sada uzeo da pravi sopstvene GPU-ove, zato sto ima pristup semama i maskama za litografiju za NVIDIJA i ATI GPU-ove.
 
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Charlie ponovo jase : Link

Najzanimljiviji deo:
To get SLI on the x58, you need the so-called nforce 200 SLI processor, otherwise known as a second rate PCIe bridge chip. This is the same part that took the excellent PCIe2 on Skulltrail and made it a mediocre higher latency PCIe1 implementation. It is the same part that the pretty broken 780i used to fake PCIe2 as well.
 
on bas ima neki problem u glavi
 
Nvidia: $30 for SLI with the Nehalem
While according to the latest news Nvidia will obtain a license for the QPI bus (enabling it to offer chipsets for the Nehalem), it seems that the firm with the green chameleon intends on cashing in on SLI support on one of Intel’s flagship platforms, as was the case with the Skulltrail.

Given that the Intel X58 should be ready at the end of the year for the launch of its new architecture and that Nvidia has nothing to rival it before some time, the latter will offer the nForce 200 (aka BR04) for roughly $30 to motherboard manufacturers which can then add the SLI logo.

This solution is doubly inelegant because not only will the chip be expensive but also it will have to be integrated on the PCB requiring the design of a new layout. With profits and the same percentage of taxes added on, the difference on the final price should be high. In addition, as compatibility was far from being optimal with the Skulltrail, we may wonder what it will be this time.

At a time when ATI is making a comeback and a CrossFire Radeon HD 4800 offers a more than competitive performance/price ratio compared to the GeForce GTX 200, the creator of the GeForce probably would have more to gain by opening up SLI (maybe for a small licensing fee) rather than trying to sell off bridges in the name of increased SLI support.
http://www.behardware.com/news/9826/nvidia-30-for-sli-with-the-nehalem.html

:d :d :d
 
Ma da, zapravo je NVIDIJA jedina koja zna da napravi cipset koji je u stanju da upravlja "kako treba" sa 2x 16xPCI-Express slotovima. How yes no :trust:
 
Mozda sam paranoik ali meni ovo dosta lici na Intelovu zvrcku posto pogadja nVidiu,AMD,ATI.
Samo VIA fali pa da potkaci sve sa kojima su trenutno na ratnoj nozi 😛
Posteni gradjanin koji je izneo u javnost ta dokumenta verovatno sada pod nekom palmom cirka koktel o Intelovom trosku 😛
 
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Malo vise informacija, izgleda dobar neki sudija : Link
Ja nešto ne videh u ovom isečku da su bog zna kako zgrešili ali valjda će biti još tih pisama. Kako se neki ovakav holivudski sudija ne zadesi Intelu ili Microsoftu?
Ako se ovo završi kako bi Intel želeo, nakon par godina Intel neće da nas razglavljuje nepodmazan, već će da nas banguje sa iron studded gum-om.
 
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bas je veliki problem izbacivanje novih mogucnosti i boljeg drajvera... al za ati 🙂
 
bas je veliki problem izbacivanje novih mogucnosti i boljeg drajvera... al za ati 🙂

Ako ti zoves SLI multi-monitor podrsku "novim mogucnostima", a svi mi znamo da to odavno radi na Quadro seriji i da su drajveri unifikovani, onda ti stvarno ne znas sta pricas, a jos manje na cemu radis tamo.

Dakle, NVIDIA samo "otkljucava" mogucnost sa svog "profesionalnog" proizvoda i omogucava je na "gamer" proizvodima. U prevodu -- "svi vi koji ste kupili Quadro ste majmuni sto ste platili $1,000+ za karticu jer to isto sada mozete za $350 ili manje".

Sto se tice ubrzanja performansi preko drajvera, to izgleda ide otprilike ovako:

Kod:
// Comment the following line to improve driver performance by 10%
KeStallExecutionProcessor(100);

Ili si mozda ti genuine upotrebio neki CMOV tamo prema mom uputstvu, a? 😀
 
Ne znam cemu sve ovo.To niti je negde reklamirano (u fazonu AMD-ovog "shoot-em-up" drajvera) niti predstavlja bombasticnu najavu...to sto su oni tako nazvali period u kome se na slajdu prikazuje nova serija drajvera ne mora da znaci i da se zove tako iskljucivo zbog drajvera...A taj slajd i takvi nazivi su izvikana praksa unutar korporacija wtf je tu zanimljivo da mi je znati...
Ali neee...tu se nasao neko ko veze nema s engleskim a pise za Kurir...

Btw, quadro se ne kupuje samo zbog multimonitor podrske...preterujes u pljuvanju.I ova tema je stvarno postala bzvz.Copy-paste sa Kurira koji niko ne shvata ozbiljno.
 
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