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Yes we can

Our sources have confirmed that Nvidia is working hard to launch its first DirectX 11 in this year. Well informed sources are telling us that the plan is to launch in late Q4 2009, but they can still make it before the end of the year.

Many people were reporting that Nvidia's high end GPU, something that we all call GT300, might be delayed for early 2010. Well we can tell you that this won’t happen, but we strongly believe that Nvidia cannot make it in time for the Windows 7 launch.

ATI has every chance to launch its DirectX 11 before Nvidia. Nvidia will come just a month or two later, but still in 2009.
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http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/14350/34/

Yes we can lol :D
 
nVidia GT300 - GeForce GTX 380 yields are sub-30%.

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...00---geforce-gtx-380-yields-are-sub-3025.aspx

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When we ran the TSMC yield story, we were left owing you an explanation. Time to clear that up too… why does TSMC has "f***** up" yields? Because the chip "some say it doesn't exist" has disastrous yields. We refuse to be drawn into the speculation about whether the GT300 exists or not, since we have enough data that would send nVidia Legal our way - but that was in the past, green guys learned better ;-)

According to our sources close to the [silicon] heart of the matter, the problem that nVidia has are yields in the 20 percentage range. You've guessed, that is waaay [insert several "a"] too low for launching volume production. Even when TSMC improves the leakage issues [the company claims that the leakage issues are now the thing of the past], nVidia will probably send a new revision of silicon - the yields have to be get high enough to earn a little bit of money.

The current situation is that three faulty chips in order to yeild one working one is much too much, since those faulty chips aren't exactly "GTX 360" or "slower Quadro FX" grade material. Some faulty parts might work under forced cooling, but the high leakage is an issue with the current graphics card layout. We won't go into the whole instability, does not work etc situation. As we all know, the graphics chips are at the worst possible position, facing down [unless you put them in testbed/desktop case]. With high leakage parts, the thermal shockwave is sent through the organic packaging to the PCB [Printed Circuit Board] and can cause extensive failure, like nVidia learned with their $200 million mistake called "bad bumps" or simply "bumpgate".

We have the exact number, but in order to protect the parties involved, we are going to refrain from posting the exact yield figure on first batch of chips. All we can say is - not yet ready for production.
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Izgleda da je TSMC stvarno zabrljao ovog puta?
 
Ocekivano, posto je prijavljeno da AMD ima identicne probleme sa RV740. Naravno, oni mogu biti samo znacajno uvecani kada je u pitanju cip od cca. 2.000.000.000 tranzistora, kao sto ce GT300 biti.

Iako su sada resili probleme(?), jos jedna revizija im svakako ne gine, ali to znaci da bi ipak mogli da stignu da predstave kartu krajem godine. Ako sve bude u redu ;)

Opet, ako performanse ne budu dovoljno dobre (to jest procentualno dosta bolje od Evergreen cipa nego sto je bio slucaj sa prethodnom generacijom), upasce u probleme druge vrste, kada ce ponovo morati da idu nanize sa cenom.
 
Pitam se hoce li ova tema ziveti do Cebit-a 2010 ;)
 
Analyst talks of continued TSMC yield problems at 40nm.

Availability of 40nm graphics processors might get worse before it gets better. According to EE Times, TSMC—the biggest manufacturers of GPUs for both AMD and Nvidia—continues to experience poor 40nm yields. Those poor yields may affect shipments for the second half of this year, the site says.

Here's the word from FBR Capital Markets analyst Mehdi Hosseini, as quoted by EE Times:
In fact, not only do our checks suggest 40-nm yields but, to our surprise, these have remained below 30 percent, affecting shipments in 2H09 . . . We believe yields are as low as 20 percent to 30 percent, which may explain the recent management change. We think some key customers who are increasing 40-nm tape-outs have already started to evaluate other foundries (UMC) in case yields do not improve soon.

Reportedly, TSMC recently admitted to yield problems at the 40nm half-node, but it claimed those were "largely fixed." The foundry firm also replaced its CEO last month.

Despite the poor 40nm yields, EE Times says TSMC did relatively well financially in the second quarter. Projections suggest TSMC grew its revenue to $2.3 billion and its net income to $758.2 million, increases of 90% and 1,487%, respectively, over the previous quarter. Both figures are lower than those from a year before, though.

Notable products using TSMC-built 40nm GPUs include AMD's Radeon HD 4770, Nvidia's newest mobile GPUs, and AMD's Mobility Radeon HD 4800 series.
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Bas ga usrase. I CEO je frcio.
 
Zasto svaki prelazak na "sitniji vez" mora da bude problematican?
 
Zasto je obaranje svetskog rekorda u skoku u dalj i troskoku u isto vreme uvek tesko ? :p
 
Dobro, nije uvijek problem u TSMC-u.
 
Hoce li, il' nece :p


Late, but volume shipment in Q1


Once more we have confirmed that the chip that we call GT300 is on schedule to launch in 2009. The way it looks now the chip should be launching roughly in November timeframe and of course it will be a high end product.

Nvidia has put in a lot of effort in order to beat ATI and keep the performance leadership, as this is something it cannot afford to lose. The real volume shipment of Nvidia’s new DirectX 11, 40nm high end part should be expected in early Q1 2010 but since $599+ products are not selling in millions of units, Nvidia should be able to ship sufficient cards to consumers.

Even if something goes wrong, Nvidia will still show its hardware in late Q4 2009 just as they did with Geforce GTX 295 dual chip and ship it in early Q1 2010, as the strategy worked last time.
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http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/14810/1/
 
Sve to mi miriše na puno potencijalnih problema za nVidiju. Radikalno promenjen dizajn, u ekstremno komplikovanom čipu, izrađenim novim proizvodnim procesom. Rekao bih previše rizika na jednom mestu.
Taj grafulja od 600 $/eura će morati da ostavi novog Radeta daleko iza sebe kako bi je ljudi kupovali. Pitanje koliko će sve te radikalne promene u dizajnu dati rezultate u aktuelnim naslovima. Ako RV870 nadmaši RV770 koliko je ovaj nadmašio RV670 nVidiji se ne piše dobro.
 
Qui audet adipiscitur :D

Dobro, sad ako budu kasnili sa hi-endom, tj ako ga budu izbacili posle ATija, ne verujem da ce ga zaceniti skuplje, a da nema i bolje performanse. A mozda ce Ati zaceniti malo vise svoje kartice, pa onda spustiti cene kad nV izbaci svoje, pa ce onda... ... mislim, igrarija ...

Nemam nista protiv, nek rizikuju, pa gde puklo. Dugo oni rade na tom cudu, polako su krenuli i sa 40nm cipovima, tako da ne verujem da je ovo nesto "s neba pa u rebra" i prepusteno slucaju:)
 
GT300 tapes out

Izvor, naravno Charlie, i prema njemu, i dalje je ubedjen da volume shipment necemo videti pre februara 2010. Performanse ne bih komentarisao, mozda ima nesto u onome sto pise, mozda nema ;)
 
Ako nema average od 60+ u Crysis-u/Warhead-u na 19x12 4xAA i "beyond very high", bolje da ni ne leakuju "slucajno" rezultate. ;)
 
heh...A ja mislio da mora da ispune TDGPU10 standard,gde ti trebe 1.2kW napajanja za graficku i napajanje za PC,ali da ispunjava uslove rada u Crysis-u 2560x1600 na 16xQAA i 32xAF
 
pa ako krene lose u najgorem slucaju kupice ih Intel :p
 
chupo92 je napisao(la):
Mnogo razloga.

nForce je nestao kao pojam, njihov IGP takodje nestaje, nova arhitektura u GT300 im zadaje mnogo muka, u sred ekonomske krize ciljaju na 600$ GPU.... to nece izaci na dobro.
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Svasta. ATI je ziveo i pre negp sto su poceli cipsetove da rade, nV cak i da batali nForce, nema razloga da bankrotira, mislim da su i dalje ispred AMDa po prodaji grafickih karti.
zeljko je napisao(la):
pa ako krene lose u najgorem slucaju kupice ih Intel :p
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Nije to ATI da ih neko tako lako kupi.:d
 
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Ne mogu se kladiti u to, naravno bice uvek "fanboy"-a, ali ja mislim da se od mainstream i low end kartica zivi, a nV sigurno nema dobru ponudu u tom segmentu, a kako stvari stoje ne bih mogao da se kladim da ce imati.

Sa druge strane ATi je pokazao da moze da napravi odlican mainstream proizvod (4770) i vec ima working DX11 chip.

@Zeljko

Najverovatnije, da im pomogne u pravljenju IGP-a za i5 ;) .
 
chupo92 je napisao(la):
Ne mogu se kladiti u to, naravno bice uvek "fanboy"-a, ali ja mislim da se od mainstream i low end kartica zivi, a nV sigurno nema dobru ponudu u tom segmentu, a kako stvari stoje ne bih mogao da se kladim da ce imati.

Sa druge strane ATi je pokazao da moze da napravi odlican mainstream proizvod (4770) i vec ima working DX11 chip.

@Zeljko

Najverovatnije, da im pomogne u pravljenju IGP-a za i5 ;) .
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Kakve veze imaju fanboyevi sa situacijom u nVidia-i?:trust:
Neces verovati koliko se 9400/9500GT dobro prodaje.:)
I sta sa tim working DX11 chipom? Sta mi imamo sad od toga? Ustvari sta AMD ima sada od njega?
Hm, cini mi se da AMD sada vredi manje od nV, i to sve sa ATIjem.:p
 
Pa uvek ce biti neko ko ce dati dva polovna juga, da bi u kucistu imao logo zelenih.
Da, prodaje se dobro, samo pitanje dali vise od 4550,4650 i 4670, mi mozemo do sutra da lupamo sta se vise prodaje ;) .
Pa ima veze, jer je lakse od working chipa napraviti karticu, nego praviti prelazak sa DX10 na DX11, sa DDR3 na DDR5, sa 55nm na 40nm + sve promene u arhitekturi, zar ne?
AMD manje vredi iz nekih drugih razloga, a njemu cene akcija rastu, sto sumnjam da je slucaj sa zelenima.
 
chupo92 je napisao(la):
Pa uvek ce biti neko ko ce dati dva polovna juga, da bi u kucistu imao logo zelenih.
Da, prodaje se dobro, samo pitanje dali vise od 4550,4650 i 4670, mi mozemo do sutra da lupamo sta se vise prodaje ;) .
Pa ima veze, jer je lakse od working chipa napraviti karticu, nego praviti prelazak sa DX10 na DX11, sa DDR3 na DDR5, sa 55nm na 40nm + sve promene u arhitekturi, zar ne?
AMD manje vredi iz nekih drugih razloga, a njemu cene akcija rastu, sto sumnjam da je slucaj sa zelenima.
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Fanboy ATIja ili nVidia-e, u cemu je razlika?;)
Da, mozemo da lupamo glavu, al' opet ima nekih koji ne znam na osnovu cega pricaju da nV propada, bankrotira, kupuje je neko i slicne gluposti.:smash:
Ne znamo sta to nV ima, zar ne? Mislim apsolutno ne vidim nikakvu prednost AMDa tu, nek' izbace kartu mesec dana pre, ne vidim u cemu je to problem?
Da, ali pitanje je cije su akcije vece.:) A i AMDove su bile prilicno pale, i lepo je sto rastu.:)
EDIT:
Ok, da se vratimo na temu, dosta je offtopica.
 
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TSMC’s 40nm Yields Improved to 60% - Company.

Morris Chang, the chairman of Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, said during a conference in Taipei, Taiwan, said that yield rate of the company’s 40nm manufacturing process is now considerably higher than it was earlier this year. This is a good news for TSMC’s customers who can now deliver their products in higher volumes.

According to the chairman, at present yield rate on the company’s flagship 40nm node is 60% (which means that 60% of chips on a single wafer are fully operational), up considerably from 30% earlier this year. The foundry expects to process around 30 thousand wafers on 40nm in the third quarter, Mr. Chang is reported to have said by DigiTimes web-site.

TSMC also indicated that shipments of 40nm/45nmwafers tripled those of Q1 and surpassed 1% of total wafer sales. Meanwhile, the lion’s share of TSMC’s wafer revenues (35%) comes from wafers made using 150nm or even more mature processes, 110nm/130nm account for 13%, 90nm process technology accounted for 23% of wafer revenues and 65nm/55nm accounted for 28%.

TSMC this week announced consolidated revenue of NT$74.21 billion ($2.263 billion), net income of NT$24.44 billion ($745 million), and diluted earnings per share of NT$0.94 ($0.14 per ADS unit) for the second quarter ended June 30, 2009.

Year-over-year, second quarter revenue decreased 15.8% while net income and diluted EPS decreased 15% and 13.9%, respectively. Compared to first quarter of 2009, second quarter results represent an 87.9% increase in revenue, and an increase of 1467.9% in net income and an increase of 1466.5% in diluted EPS. All figures were prepared in accordance with R.O.C. GAAP on a consolidated basis. Gross margin for the quarter was 46.2%, operating margin was 33.9%, and net margin was 32.9%.
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Malo dobrih vijesti.
 
starac je napisao(la):
TSMC’s 40nm Yields Improved to 60% - Company.
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Verujem da ce ovo sto cu napisati ponovo pokrenuti raspravu, ali po meni ova vest trenutno nista ne znaci za NVidiu, cak sta vise - rekao bih da im ne ide previse u prilog.

Navedeni yield se izvesno odnosi na RV740, i delom na GT216 i GT218, a sve su to cipovi veoma male povrsine (najveci je RV740 sa 137mm2). Ako oni sa vafera dobiju 40% neispravnih cipova tako malih dimenzija, situacija sa GT300 (koji ce po svemu sudeci imati cca. 500mm2, tj. najmanje 3x vise) moze biti samo drasticno gora - moguce cak toliko da nemaju vise od 35-40% potpuno ispravnih cipova. Jedan deo ce spasiti za neki oslabljeni model, ali ce cena svakog pojedinacnog i dalje biti veoma visoka.

Naravno, ako uspeju da odrze svoju projektovanu cenu (verovatno 500+ dolara), to nece biti toliki problem, ali ce to ipak pre svega zavisiti od performansi onoga sto AMD ponudi.
 
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