R600, licno i personalno

[gx-x]

...pa ako trosi 300W, na zadnji izduv sigurno izlazi vazduh 50-tak celzijusa temperature, opusteno mala grejalica...ovaj moj 1900xt moze da greje noge, mogu misliti sta ce tek r600 da radi, crossfire da ne spominjem lol

 

[Ser_Zile]

ako cemo realno i 8800GTX se usijava tako da ne vidim zasto je to tolki problem kod R600 koji jos nismo ni videli kako radi.

 

[yooyo]

@gx-x:
Nedjo ipak nesto zna... ima on neke veze sa AMD-om...

Kada je MS napravio DX10 specifikaciju, tu nema sta da se talasa... ili ce da radi kao sto pise u dokumentaciji ili nece biti DX10 kompatibilan. Cak ni unified arhitektura ne spada u opis DX10 standarda. Sve sto proizvodjaci mogu da urade je da povecaju broj shadera (koji se sada zovu streaming procesori) i da nekom lukavom metodom podese da svi ti procesori rade sa sto manje "praznog hoda". To je po mom misljenju oblast u kojoj se nalazi kljuc uspeha nekog GPU-a. NVidia je u G80 to lepo odradila, pa su cak i optimizovali tako sto su procesore grupisali u multiprocesore koji imaju zajednicku lokalnu memoriju. Za sada NV resenje je bar 2 koraka ispred onoga sto je ATI predstavio u XENOSU i u R580.
ATI-u sad treba "troskok" da bi bio bolji od NVidije.

 

[SeeBeen]

Koliko sam ja provalio, kuler na r600 kartici dodaje jos 10cm?

 

[gx-x]

@Ser_Zile:

pa usijava se, a pazi, to je svega ~150W, zamisli sad sta radi 300W :eyebrows:

 

[Ser_Zile]

@Ser_Zile:

pa usijava se, a pazi, to je svega ~150W, zamisli sad sta radi 300W :eyebrows:

i sam si rekao koliko su te najave za potrosnju do sad bile napumpane pa zasto ne bi tako bilo i ovaj put?
jednostavno nema nikakvih osnova da R600 bazirana kartica trosi toliko vise od 8800GTX.

 

[gx-x]

...sto jes' - jes' I meni se ta najava za 300W cini kao uvaljivanje patke.

 

[starac]

Pa i 250W bi bilo previše!
Nove vijesti sa Fudzille: http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=96&Itemid=1

We got news that DAAMIT actually won't change the R600 silicon. R600 will stay the same and the driver, a PCB design and a clock were the factor that pushed the launch.

The chip is fine, at least one good news from DAAMIT. But still the fans won't benefit from it as the cards got delayed to some point in May.

The chips will be clocked differently than the originally planned but clocks won't be announced until some point in April. The beta cards are running, with an NDA you might actually see one sooner than expected.

 

[DAS]

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=68&Itemid=34

Toliko o tome da je odlaganje bilo zbog "visih ciljeva".
Budze se frekvencije,nista se nije promenilo,sve je isto kao i ranije u slucaju R420,R520....

 

[Typhoon.X]

Sa gorepomenutog linka :

R600 should end up with Radeon X2900 DE – Delayed Edition name, and DAAMIT it better be good as we hope we didn’t wait for nothing.

LOL :d

 

[DAS]

E a zanimljivo je to sto je to novi sajt Fuada Abazovica.Kako to da on pljuje po Ati-ju?
Novi sajt-novi trend!

 

[Paradigma]

To je Fuadov sajt za envidiju. :d

 

[SeeBeen]

Covek izgleda ima Multiple Personality Disorder! .

 

[DAS]

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38158

Toliko o prici da Ati uveliko nudi DX-10 chipove u mobilnoj varijanti...

 

[DAS]

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=118&Itemid=34

Jos odlaganja,anyone?

 

[S22]

Informacije o value i mainstream AMD grafickim kartama: http://dailytech.com/AMD+RV610+and+RV630+Details+Unveiled/article6451.htm 128W ce trositi najjaca mainstream karta tu je i podrska za PCIe 2.0 standard

 

[DAS]

Lepo,ali ja sam skeptican kad Ati pravi mid-range kartu u novom proizvodnom procesu.Setite se X700 koji je radjen u 110nm i nije mogao ni priblizne taktove da postigne kao X800 u 130nm.Pa onda sam X1950 u 80nm ne moze ni za 50Mhz da se overclockuje.Jednostavno Ati koristi novi i sitniji proces za mid-range karte u nekoj value varijanti.

 

[SeeBeen]

Da li PCIe 2.0 kartice rade u starijim PCIe slotovima?

 

[S22]

Da li PCIe 2.0 kartice rade u starijim PCIe slotovima?

Hoce PCIe 2.0 je unazad kompatibilan sa PCIe

 

[Nedjo]

Hoce PCIe 2.0 je unazad kompatibilan sa PCIe

fizicki da!

ali kartice koje budu eksplicitno zahtevale PCIe 2.0 (to nece biti odmah u startu) nece biti u nazad kompatibilne.

Konkretno, kartica koja bude zahtevala napajanje koje moze da pruzi PCIe 2.0, a pri tome ne bude imala dodatne naponske konektore na sebi, radice samo na PCIe 2.0 plocama...

No, kao sto rekoh procice dosta do tada!

 

[starac]

Konačno nešto konkretno - http://www.tweaktown.com/news/7193/amd_roadmap_update_on_r600_details_confirmed/index.html

The Dragonshead 2 which will become the card that you can actually buy will draw a maximum of 240 watts which is much higher than first speculated. If you’re interested in running Crossfire, that’s a total of 450 watts just for your graphics cards and it’s no wonder we are starting to see consumer power supplies above 1000w hit the market now. The power will supplied by 1 x 6-pin and 1 x 8-pin PCI Express connector and the coolers used are dual slot configuration.

240W sam otprilike i očekivao.

 

[bazdi]

I podnaslov /Twice the performance of R580/ i zadnji pasus tog texta su neobicna mesavina senzacije i marketinga koja sluti na nesto veliko...pre flop nego boom...

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Bolje da predstave i to (XT model sa nižim clokovima i 512Mb DDR3) nego da čekaju još koji mjesec.
S druge strane, RV630 pak izlazi sa DDR4 kako je najavljeno:
http://www.fx57.net/?p=499
http://www.imagesforme.com/viewer.php?id=1149rv630rv2.jpg
http://www.imagesforme.com/viewer.php?id=4228imgp5549ka0.jpg

 

[SeeBeen]

Zanimljive slicice... Zasto je R630 kartica manja od R600?!?

 

[gx-x]

Jos ni R600 nije izasao, oni vec prave R630! Mozda se ne razumem u marketing i biznis, ali meni to nije logicno!

hehe, to se zove hyper-hype Kriveljenjem dimenzije marketinga i trzista preskacu sredinu i srz i spajaju coskove To ti je hype-hole (kao wormhole samo je ovo AMD smislio ) i jos: bas kao i kod wormhole-a, tako je i kod ovog hyper-hype hole-a -sve je samo na papiru

 

[gx-x]

Bolje da predstave i to (XT model sa nižim clokovima i 512Mb DDR3) nego da čekaju još koji mjesec.
S druge strane, RV630 pak izlazi sa DDR4 kako je najavljeno:
http://www.fx57.net/?p=499
http://www.imagesforme.com/viewer.php?id=1149rv630rv2.jpg
http://www.imagesforme.com/viewer.php?id=4228imgp5549ka0.jpg

druga slika je jakooo cudna. Prvo, na PCB-u pise ATI, a ne AMD.ATI, AMD ili DAAMIT ( ), drugo kakva je ovo memorija na karti ? BGA sigurno nije, vise lici na ddr1, zapravo cela karta tj PCB lici na gigabyte maya r9000Pro...sa nakalemljenim PCI-E

edit: da se ispravim: mem. chipovi mi deluju veliki za BGA pakovanje ili tripujem ?!

PS. Sad poredim drugu sliku iz linka (go PCB bez kulera) sa ostale dve: Taj "go" PCb kao prvo nema konektor za ventilator, tamo gde je na drugim slikama konektor ovde je rupa za sraf, drugo ima dva plava elektrolita gore levo na karti, na mestu gde se na drugim slikma vidi kroz kuler to mesto i vidi se da tamo tih elektrolita nema. Trece (i dalje nisam ni gledao) plastike koje su pored konektora koji idu u PCI-E slot (one retension plastike koje nemaju kontakte na sebi) na golom PCB-u su crvene, a na one dve slike sa kulerom su zute.. (cini mi se da fali i onaj tranzistor blizu PCI-E konektora na slikama sa kulerom). Ne znam sta je ovo, koja je karta ali nesto mi tu smrdi :trust:

 

[starac]

Tek u Junu!?

CeBIT: AMD speaks about R600


Received by AMD, we believed there until the end. When we penetrated in a flanked room of a poster “NDA” we were persuaded that it would be there. And well not. Many times announced R600 and very as many time deferred was not there, finally almost, as explained Vijay Sharma, Product to us Manager of R600 at AMD.

Hello Vijay. We thought of seeing R600, is it there?
Hello. Yes R600 is well here in CeBIT. It is presented in NDA (agreement of nondisclosure) at some of our partners. It is not visible for general public, nor for the press, but our trade partners have it already and can present it at their customers.

And for us will people of the press, when be you he visible?
He will be presented at the press at the end of April/during May at the time of an official presentation under NDA. The date and the exact place of this event are not defined yet, but that will not be in Amsterdam (note: AMD cancelled there is a few days the official presentation of R600 which was to be held in Amsterdam at the beginning of week).

And for the public?
The public will see with blow on of R600 everywhere in Computex which will take place in June since it will be launched during May.

One spoke about a problem of PCB with memory GDDR4. You confirm?
Well on that not. There is no concern, these rumours are nonfounded. R600 functions very well.

This don't CeBIT was the occasion to present it, why do it not?
We wish to develop a complete range around R600. Today, the range and all that goes around are not finalized. We will launch R600 at the same time as all the range of charts which use it.

Will AMD announced a revision with the fall of its sales for the current year, R600 be the product which will save AMD?
We hope for it and let us be persuaded of it. The processor for Barcelona waiter will be well launched this summer. The version general public Agena will be launched second half of 2007. All these innovations will show the capacities of AMD to be dissociated in this market. There is not only R600.

Compared to the solution of NVIDIA, which will give the R600 in terms of performances?
You will be surprised…

And the price?
I know it, but of course, I can nothing say to you.

Thank you Vijay

AMD received us and let us thank we them. We would have however liked to know some a little more. R600 is not there. There exists can be certainly, but we saw it, nobody besides, and the answers brought to our questions seem to be given in order to save time

 

[Dusan K]

Zanimljive slicice... Zasto je R630 kartica manja od R600?!?

Koliko vidim, nije R630, vec RV630 - sto ce reci derivat za srednji trzisni segment.

A kao sto rece neko, ove slike su veoma sumnjive.

 

[Nedjo]

hehe, to se zove hyper-hype Kriveljenjem dimenzije marketinga i trzista preskacu sredinu i srz i spajaju coskove To ti je hype-hole (kao wormhole samo je ovo AMD smislio ) i jos: bas kao i kod wormhole-a, tako je i kod ovog hyper-hype hole-a -sve je samo na papiru

hehe, a ti bas volis da trcis pred rudu! Nije R630, vec dugo najavljivani i sada vec dobro poznati RV630!
Meni ono lici na BGA memoriju... A sve kartice i dalje nose ATI brending!

 

[gx-x]

drm drm, hehe, jesam ja reko da je r630 ? Nisam...prema tome...ja sam komentarisao r600 koji nije jos izasao, a nove karte u najavi...hyper-hype