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martins je napisao(la):
a protok kolki ti je lanset?
Ne pokušavajte ni da ga merite, budite srećni kad radi. Non stop se pali alarm i na kratko guši predaju, tako da je i klasičan surf postao nepodnošljiv, kad god sam tamo a vidim da je puko net jurim koji čvor zaj***va pa ga isključujem na kratko dok mu ne bude bolje 😉 , ali ipak samo malo vremena provodim gore. Probajte da mi javite koliki je procenat LOST kad pingujete neki IP. :cigar:
 
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Ping statistics for 82.208.216.129:
Packets: Sent = 120, Received = 115, Lost = 5 (4% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
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Ja mislio ovde u Mirijevu, tišina, kad ono...

Ima li nekih vesti za 16. oktobra 3-11?

Poz, Vertikus!
 
Aman ljudi ne preterujte, dovoljno je samo da napišete koliko %, samo zauzimamo prostor. Taj LOST je zbog šuma i zbog učestalih iskakanja predajnika, tako da će i ostati do daljeg. Sorry.
Markus, za tebe i za Storma: kod vas je šum stvarno očajan i dobro je i da net radi, a na žalost nemam filtere da ga izolujem (probaću da odsečem jedan deo mreže pa da vidim).
Hajde, da još nešto pojasnim. Trenutno je cela mreža u Mirijevu preko 1 opt. predajnika ka PTT-u, što nije loše jer on trpi i više a ne tih 8 čvorova, dok je ostali deo Zvezdare preko drugog. Na Mirijevu je dosta izraženiji šum, tako da i taj predajnik ima tendenciju čestog iskakanja (mereno BUKVALNO u ms (ne računam razgovore)). Zato npr. Fly ima bolji ping kao i svi drugi koji nisu u Mirjevu. U radu to se primećuje u sporom očitavanju strana, a uzrok je upravo Ping i taj famozni LOST, koji je i meni na SBB-u pravio probleme. Doduše kod njih je bilo zbog nedimenzionisanog linka, dok je ovde 90% šum (ne mogu da garantujem za link, ali mislim da je OK-to je 10%). Tako da ljudi, Vi koji imate PTT NET, uživajte u ovome što imate (kad imate), jer neće skoro krenuti komercijalna eksploatacija istog.
U međuvremenu... :bottle:
 
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Preciousss je napisao(la):
Ja mislio ovde u Mirijevu, tišina, kad ono...

Ima li nekih vesti za 16. oktobra 3-11?

Poz, Vertikus!
Ako znaš nekog ko ima modem, probaj pa javi. Znam da radi u , čini mi se 5 i 11, ali to je bilo davno. :wave:
 
cisto da dodam da se nesto opako sjebalo
ovo je powerlevel od danas:
Power Level: 59.3 dBmV

i to bez i jednog splitera u stanu (direktno is kutije ispred stana +sto sam komsiju iznad mene,nece se ljutiti sigurno, stavio na tap a meni direktan signal)

cisto radi poredjenja do pre neki dan 44dbmv sad 59.3dbmv

inace net mi je radio bez prekida pola jucasnjeg dana,celu noc i do pola danasnjeg

poz
 
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markus je napisao(la):
cisto da dodam da se nesto opako sjebalo
ovo je powerlevel od danas:
Power Level: 59.3 dBmV

i to bez i jednog splitera u stanu (direktno is kutije ispred stana +sto sam komsiju iznad mene,nece se ljutiti sigurno, stavio na tap a meni direktan signal)

cisto radi poredjenja do pre neki dan 44dbmv sad 59.3dbmv

inace net mi je radio bez prekida pola jucasnjeg dana,celu noc i do pola danasnjeg

poz
Sad bi trebalo da je bolje, ali puca veza. Morao sam oboriti signal da ne bi pucalo celo Mirjevo. Danas sam sa tvog čvora slušao nekog Miloša kako priča sa nekom gospođom (ko je od njih na tvom čvoru pojma nemam).
Kad budem imao vremena malo ću se pozavati njime, što zbog šuma što zbog prijava iz Petrarkine.
 
Meni standardno od 56 do 57.3 🙂. Od juče se situacija opet popravila, danas u toku dana bilo je 4-5 prekida ali na po 10-15 sekundi i odmah se vrati.
 
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Vertygo je napisao(la):
Meni standardno od 56 do 57.3 🙂. Od juče se situacija opet popravila, danas u toku dana bilo je 4-5 prekida ali na po 10-15 sekundi i odmah se vrati.
Nemam odgovor, ali trenutno sam gledao radne sobe pa sam naleteo i na tvoju. Malo off topic but what the hell. Kud ne pratih ranije. Moram da postujem i svoju. :banana:
 
markus je napisao(la):
i to bez i jednog splitera u stanu (direktno is kutije ispred stana +sto sam komsiju iznad mene,nece se ljutiti sigurno, stavio na tap a meni direktan signal)

poz

BTW koliki je TAP?
 
Za ET mortar, zanima me kako stoje stvari (teh. uslovi) za Matice srpske 30.
Poslao sam zahtev...
Pozdrav


:smoke:
 
ghost je napisao(la):
Za ET mortar, zanima me kako stoje stvari (teh. uslovi) za Matice srpske 30.
Poslao sam zahtev...
Pozdrav


:smoke:
Znam, jer su me pitali. Nisam najsigurniji, ali trebalo bi da može jer si prvi poj. od čvora. Bilo bi dobro da probaš (ako znaš nekog as kabl modemom).
 
ET .. hvala na express odgovoru !!!
Na zalost nikoga u blizini (a ni u daljini ). Moracu da se potrudim i iskopam neku dobru dusu iz komsiluka. Elem dobrovoljci sa modemom javite se i svratite na kafu...

:smoke:
 
@ET
tap je na 4 ako se ne racunaju in i out,znaci onaj sa 6 ulaza/izlaza (verovatno slabi dosta vise ali nisam imao drugi pri ruci)
sutra cale treba da mi donese dva tap-a na 2 i na 3 pa cu da to zamenim ...na trecem spratu u mojoj vertikali je umesto tap-a stavljen spliter na 2 pa je cela vertikala oslabljena tako da cu i tu morati da stavim tap...inace i ovako kako je signal je bio dosta dobar do pre neki dan (nezalim se na sadasnji nemoj pogresno da shvatis)samo konstatacija....

@ghost
dacu ti ja modem da probas
javi se na 0646974878
 
ET mortar je napisao(la):
Nemam odgovor, ali trenutno sam gledao radne sobe pa sam naleteo i na tvoju. Malo off topic but what the hell. Kud ne pratih ranije. Moram da postujem i svoju. :banana:

Ne bunim se, samo mi je žao što ne mogu da stavim neki ometač, za babu. 🙂
Što se sobe tiče, to je staro...dok je još bila grdosija od stola i monitora aktuelna...evo nove postavke, mada ima tu još posla, na proleće/leto. Uostalom videćeš kad dođeš na ono pivo 🙂.
 
ET video sam ovde da se pominje net za petrarkinu ja sam u br. 4 da li ce biti nesto uskoro!
 
Da li vama danas radi yahoo mail i msn hotmail i messenger????????? Ja sam i s mobilnog pokusao yahoo mail da otvorim ali ni tu nije hteo...
 
ET mortar je napisao(la):
Ako znaš nekog ko ima modem, probaj pa javi. Znam da radi u , čini mi se 5 i 11, ali to je bilo davno. :wave:

Uh, već se prijavio dobrovljac. :,,:
Kakva je procedura ako ima signala? Kome, šta, koliko... :S:
 
Et Mortar=predpostavaljam da si ti ivane?milos ovde sa rakovice!nego sta ste uradil el ste pojacali opticku predaju?nesta ste mi slabi zadnji put kad sam bio do TK centra.E ako ne znas samo da ti kazem da smo provalili kako da meris opticki signal na HDRX pomocu unimera!masu stavis na ntsc modul(ima naslikana masa)a plus setas od broja do broja mesta modula(1,2,3,4,5)Meris napon a pomocu tabele u upustvu za HDRX pretvaras u Dbm!
BY THE WAY:el ste dobili filtere i ako napreduje rekonstrukcija!Aj pa poZZZZZZZ
P.S:Net radi ali mi ispada ponekad!Power level: 44 dBmV Received signal strenght: 1.7 dBmV
 
DarthAginar je napisao(la):
Et Mortar=predpostavaljam da si ti ivane?milos ovde sa rakovice!nego sta ste uradil el ste pojacali opticku predaju?nesta ste mi slabi zadnji put kad sam bio do TK centra.E ako ne znas samo da ti kazem da smo provalili kako da meris opticki signal na HDRX pomocu unimera!masu stavis na ntsc modul(ima naslikana masa)a plus setas od broja do broja mesta modula(1,2,3,4,5)Meris napon a pomocu tabele u upustvu za HDRX pretvaras u Dbm!
BY THE WAY:el ste dobili filtere i ako napreduje rekonstrukcija!Aj pa poZZZZZZZ
P.S:Net radi ali mi ispada ponekad!Power level: 44 dBmV Received signal strenght: 1.7 dBmV
Hvala za TIP, mislio sam da si ti ali nisam bio siguran. Nismo jer mora neko od njih da odobri (na njihov zahtev smo i smanjili):crash: Ti beše reče da smo za 12 dBm niži?
BTW:Jok, i nikako :wall: (stalo za sada ali smo bar izmenili stare opt. prijemnike HDRX-ovima)
P.S. Dobro je kad radi
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e ivane reci mi mirijevski venac 10?gde se nalazi cvor za tu zgradu?i jos jedno pitanjce ulofa palmea 3 ima li net?jeli el ste prebacili ove zvedarce na nove HDRX-ove!kolko cvorova vam ide sada preko atlantinog predajnika!u tk centru sam vas merrio na 1 i 7 dolazu.1 je -7.5 dBmV a 7 -11.5 dBmV.sobzirom da su ostali oko -1.5 dBmV vi ste dosta slabi.takodje sum na 1 je znatno veci nego sum na 7(na ovom 7 skoro da ga nema)
 
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e ivane reci mi mirijevski venac 10?gde se nalazi cvor za tu zgradu?i jos jedno pitanjce ulofa palmea 3 ima li net?jeli el ste prebacili ove zvedarce na nove HDRX-ove!kolko cvorova vam ide sada preko atlantinog predajnika!u tk centru sam vas merrio na 1 i 7 dolazu.1 je -7.5 dBmV a 7 -11.5 dBmV.sobzirom da su ostali oko -1.5 dBmV vi ste dosta slabi.takodje sum na 1 je znatno veci nego sum na 7(na ovom 7 skoro da ga nema)
U Petrarkinoj 10; UP3, bilo bi dobro da probaš dole na poj.;MIR je i bilo na HDRX a sad su i ostali(vidi sad šum); oslabljen signal na opt. razdelniku na 85%. Mirijevo je katastrofa sa šumom, pogotovo taj čvor u Petrarkinoj mada je to jedan od retkih uredno terminiranih čvorova :wall:
Proveri kod vas na Prizmi na 43.7 Mhz(ili tu negde) sa malim Promaxom, imate li telefone. Svrati gore jedan dan da ih čuješ :,,:
P.S. Čeka se tender za održavanje pa će valjda biti bolje. Već smo dobili nalog za trebovanje osn. sredstava. Baci pogled na PROMAX 25 pa daj komentar.
:bottle:
P.S.2: imaš i thread za Rakovicu pa baci pogled, možda nekom možeš pomoći :wave:
P.S.3 hvala dbg-u koji je svojim komentarima izazvao0 moju reakciju da se bar nešto malo promeni (inače, tip je u Rakovici)
 
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e bio sam u ulofa 3 da prikljucim onog drugara!radi kablovska dobro i dobar mu je signal.izgleda da je zgrada zadnje pojacalo u kome nema povratni modul(tip pojacala je astro ili tako nesto )da li znas kad ce se umeriti ili dali je unazad umereno?poz svima i pozivam svakog ko je sa rakovice a ima ptt-kds da mi se obrati replay-em ili mailom za informacije u vezi neta na tom podruciju!([email protected])
 
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e bio sam u ulofa 3 da prikljucim onog drugara!radi kablovska dobro i dobar mu je signal.izgleda da je zgrada zadnje pojacalo u kome nema povratni modul(tip pojacala je astro ili tako nesto )da li znas kad ce se umeriti ili dali je unazad umereno?poz svima i pozivam svakog ko je sa rakovice a ima ptt-kds da mi se obrati replay-em ili mailom za informacije u vezi neta na tom podruciju!([email protected])
MOram da bacim pogled na šemu, Pojačavač je popunjen jer je skoro puštena zgrada, pitanje je šta je pre njega, proveriću sledeće nedelje.
 
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