Ja nikada nisam igrao igre zbog grafike, mada posle vidjenih shotki sa TGS-a i iz naslova za sony 3 uopste, tesko sta da ce moci da me odusevi ponovo. Jedino sto zameram Gotiku 3 sto se tice grafike su texture niske rezolucije ostalo je sve ok. A da i ja ne pametujem, necu ni primecivati nedostatke kad me prica ponovo , onako kako samo Gotik zna da isprica, zalepi za ekran.
Gothic 3?
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Get ready to lose a chunk of November to the latest in this series of dark horse RPGs
By: Tom Chick
Posted: 19 Sep 2006
If you haven't played one of the previous Gothics, one of the first things you'll think when you see Gothic 3 in action is "Oblivion." At least that was what was on our mind when we sat down for some hands-on time with an early build of the game. The developers at Piranha Bites and the publishers at Aspyr didn't seem to mind. In fact, they're tickled with the success of Oblivion. From where they're sitting, it's just that many more people who might enjoy Gothic 3.
The Gothic series has been a sort of dark horse among RPGs. The first two games were criticized for their interfaces, but praised for their open gameplay, living worlds, and DIY character development. Addressing the interface complaints, Piranha Bites has refined the combat system to try to make it more accessible and intuitive. You left click for a basic attack, or hold down left click to charge up your attack. If you left click while holding down right click, you'll do a special attack. A regular right click will change your stance based on what you're wielding. We got the hang of it pretty quickly.
This basic system adapts to different contexts. For instance, if you've got a shield equipped, the right click will change you to a defensive posture. There's a new targeting system that makes it easier to deal with group combat. By "soft locking" on a target, you can keep facing and attacking a specific opponent as opposed to flailing away and hoping you hit the right guy.
Like Oblivion, Gothic has always been about being dropped into a living world and making your own way. Gothic I began in the confines of a prison mine, Gothic 2 busted out into a civil war, and now Gothic 3 sprawls across an entire continent of warring orcs and humans. The world stretches across three types of areas: a temperate forested area in the center, where you start, with an icy wasteland to the north where the Nordmar live, and a vast desert to the south where the nomads roam. A day/night cycle passes over the terrain.
This isn't a game about being dropped at one end of the continent and working your way to the other end. Instead, you begin in the center and go where you will. Travel isn't always easy. There are no mounts, although there are some teleportation portals to jump you around. There is some scaling of difficulty as you level up, but it's not global, like it was in Oblivion. There are plenty of areas you won't want to go until you're powerful enough. And there are places you can backtrack if you want an easier time whupping weaker creatures.
The story opens at end of the war that was the subject of Gothic 2. The bad news is that the humans have lost. All but one of their cities have been enslaved by orcs, which sucks since orcs aren't known for their humane labor laws. The war has split the humans into several factions. You have a reputation rating with each city, as well as with factions like the Nordmar, the orcs, the rebels, the rangers, the assassins, the nomads. This rating is a significant factor in how the game unfolds. Unlike most other RPGs, there are no hard-coded good or evil choices. You might even be able to sympathize with the orcs if that's the path you choose.
For instance, if you want to get in good with the orc sympathizers, you'll have to impress the orcs. One of the best ways of doing this is to travel to different towns and win the arena combats in each town. These are one-on-one fights against increasingly difficult opponents. Beat the toughest guy in the town and you're that much closer to winning over the sympathizers.
Or you might want to liberate your fellow humans. You can start a revolution in the cities by talking to characters and convincing them to rise up. Some of them might require quests and others might come around with the right dialog options. If you sway enough people in a city, there's a city-wide fight between orcs and humans. You'll be in the middle of the battle, so under your leadership, the city can free itself. Another option is to just make your way among the desert faction to the south and let the orcs and humans hash it out on their own.
There are no classes in Gothic. Instead, you level up and earn skill points, which you spend building your character however you like by buying skills from trainers. There are some skills that you can only learn from particular factions. For instance, you can only pick up dual-wielding from the Hashishim in the south. These skills can be further modified by perks, such as a bonus vs. orcs or extra attack speed.
The magic system isn't quite as open ended as the skill system. There are three gods and if you want to cast spells, you'll have to commit to one of them, at the exclusion of the other two. Each god has its own arsenal of 12 to 15 unique spells. Choose among an evil god with traditional damaging spells, a good god with healing and buff spells, and an elemental god with ice and water attacks.
We were able to play around with a pretty cool animal transformation spell to disguise our character as the target creature. We were also able to try a summoning spell with a slightly tricky timing gimmick; if you don't cast it just right, the summoned creature won't be very friendly. We were pleased to discover a modicum of realism in the spellcasting: to recover mana, you can't just rest for an hour in the middle of a perilous dungeon. Instead, you have to rest at safe spots, or use potions.
Gothic has a new crafting system that we were able to try at a smithy, which had stations such as a sharpening stone, an anvil, a forge, and a cooling bucket. To make an item, we had to work at each of these stations, processing raw materials and then refining them into weapons according to the character's skills. If you modify your skills with the right perks, you'll be able to create magical weapons. Of course, you'll need to find some magical ore. Crafting also works for more mundane goods. Campfires, for instance, are used to cook food.
All told, we got a sinking feeling while playing Gothic 3. With a fearful eye on the November page of our calendar, we're considering where we were going to carve out the 40 to 60 hours a game like this is liable to consume. If you're an RPG fan, we advise you to do the same.
By: Tom Chick
Posted: 19 Sep 2006
If you haven't played one of the previous Gothics, one of the first things you'll think when you see Gothic 3 in action is "Oblivion." At least that was what was on our mind when we sat down for some hands-on time with an early build of the game. The developers at Piranha Bites and the publishers at Aspyr didn't seem to mind. In fact, they're tickled with the success of Oblivion. From where they're sitting, it's just that many more people who might enjoy Gothic 3.
The Gothic series has been a sort of dark horse among RPGs. The first two games were criticized for their interfaces, but praised for their open gameplay, living worlds, and DIY character development. Addressing the interface complaints, Piranha Bites has refined the combat system to try to make it more accessible and intuitive. You left click for a basic attack, or hold down left click to charge up your attack. If you left click while holding down right click, you'll do a special attack. A regular right click will change your stance based on what you're wielding. We got the hang of it pretty quickly.
This basic system adapts to different contexts. For instance, if you've got a shield equipped, the right click will change you to a defensive posture. There's a new targeting system that makes it easier to deal with group combat. By "soft locking" on a target, you can keep facing and attacking a specific opponent as opposed to flailing away and hoping you hit the right guy.
Like Oblivion, Gothic has always been about being dropped into a living world and making your own way. Gothic I began in the confines of a prison mine, Gothic 2 busted out into a civil war, and now Gothic 3 sprawls across an entire continent of warring orcs and humans. The world stretches across three types of areas: a temperate forested area in the center, where you start, with an icy wasteland to the north where the Nordmar live, and a vast desert to the south where the nomads roam. A day/night cycle passes over the terrain.
This isn't a game about being dropped at one end of the continent and working your way to the other end. Instead, you begin in the center and go where you will. Travel isn't always easy. There are no mounts, although there are some teleportation portals to jump you around. There is some scaling of difficulty as you level up, but it's not global, like it was in Oblivion. There are plenty of areas you won't want to go until you're powerful enough. And there are places you can backtrack if you want an easier time whupping weaker creatures.
The story opens at end of the war that was the subject of Gothic 2. The bad news is that the humans have lost. All but one of their cities have been enslaved by orcs, which sucks since orcs aren't known for their humane labor laws. The war has split the humans into several factions. You have a reputation rating with each city, as well as with factions like the Nordmar, the orcs, the rebels, the rangers, the assassins, the nomads. This rating is a significant factor in how the game unfolds. Unlike most other RPGs, there are no hard-coded good or evil choices. You might even be able to sympathize with the orcs if that's the path you choose.
For instance, if you want to get in good with the orc sympathizers, you'll have to impress the orcs. One of the best ways of doing this is to travel to different towns and win the arena combats in each town. These are one-on-one fights against increasingly difficult opponents. Beat the toughest guy in the town and you're that much closer to winning over the sympathizers.
Or you might want to liberate your fellow humans. You can start a revolution in the cities by talking to characters and convincing them to rise up. Some of them might require quests and others might come around with the right dialog options. If you sway enough people in a city, there's a city-wide fight between orcs and humans. You'll be in the middle of the battle, so under your leadership, the city can free itself. Another option is to just make your way among the desert faction to the south and let the orcs and humans hash it out on their own.
There are no classes in Gothic. Instead, you level up and earn skill points, which you spend building your character however you like by buying skills from trainers. There are some skills that you can only learn from particular factions. For instance, you can only pick up dual-wielding from the Hashishim in the south. These skills can be further modified by perks, such as a bonus vs. orcs or extra attack speed.
The magic system isn't quite as open ended as the skill system. There are three gods and if you want to cast spells, you'll have to commit to one of them, at the exclusion of the other two. Each god has its own arsenal of 12 to 15 unique spells. Choose among an evil god with traditional damaging spells, a good god with healing and buff spells, and an elemental god with ice and water attacks.
We were able to play around with a pretty cool animal transformation spell to disguise our character as the target creature. We were also able to try a summoning spell with a slightly tricky timing gimmick; if you don't cast it just right, the summoned creature won't be very friendly. We were pleased to discover a modicum of realism in the spellcasting: to recover mana, you can't just rest for an hour in the middle of a perilous dungeon. Instead, you have to rest at safe spots, or use potions.
Gothic has a new crafting system that we were able to try at a smithy, which had stations such as a sharpening stone, an anvil, a forge, and a cooling bucket. To make an item, we had to work at each of these stations, processing raw materials and then refining them into weapons according to the character's skills. If you modify your skills with the right perks, you'll be able to create magical weapons. Of course, you'll need to find some magical ore. Crafting also works for more mundane goods. Campfires, for instance, are used to cook food.
All told, we got a sinking feeling while playing Gothic 3. With a fearful eye on the November page of our calendar, we're considering where we were going to carve out the 40 to 60 hours a game like this is liable to consume. If you're an RPG fan, we advise you to do the same.
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Chitam sad ovaj tekst gde kaze kako ce u Gothic 3 biti NOVA mogucnost da se fokusiras na jednu metu u toku grupne borbe....za razliku od pre gde to kao nisi mogao. Pa yebem mu sunce, ako ima nesto gore nego kad review rade ljudi koji nisu igrali Gothic makar toliko da provale njegov interface. Da stvar bude jos gora, lik koji je opisao Night of the Raven u Svetu kompjutera je takodje kao veliku manu igre naveo istu stvar...
To je izgleda logika "ako ja nesto ne znam da uradim onda je to nemoguce uraditi".
Zar je toliko tesko skontati da treba samo da drzis control u toku borbe i meta je automatski lockovana?
Meni je borbeni interfejs u G1 i G2 odlican i nadam se da ce ostati mogucnost za koriscenje istog i u trojci, mada sumnjam. Mislim da sam procitao da ce biti obavezno koriscenje misha :wall:
Sto se ukupnog interface-a u G1 i G2 tiche, jedino inventar je malo bio syeban, ali i to nije toliki problem kad se naviknes.
To je izgleda logika "ako ja nesto ne znam da uradim onda je to nemoguce uraditi".
Zar je toliko tesko skontati da treba samo da drzis control u toku borbe i meta je automatski lockovana?
Meni je borbeni interfejs u G1 i G2 odlican i nadam se da ce ostati mogucnost za koriscenje istog i u trojci, mada sumnjam. Mislim da sam procitao da ce biti obavezno koriscenje misha :wall:
Sto se ukupnog interface-a u G1 i G2 tiche, jedino inventar je malo bio syeban, ali i to nije toliki problem kad se naviknes.
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Prvi veliki test GOLD verzije je uradio nemacki Gamestar.Rezultat sa 17 strana dugackog opisa je 85(89%)-sta god to znacil
vo je malo detaljnije
Graphics 9/10
The Good: very detailed landscapes, nice spell effects, great lighting
The Bad: sometimes ridiculous animations
Music and soundk 8/10
The Good: orchestral soundtrack, very good speech, surroundings sound
The Bad: sometimes bad effects, minors mistakes in speech
Balance 6/10
The Good: three degrees of difficulties, great monsters guard dangerous locations
The Bad: level is oscillating, rough progress on next level
Atmosphere 9/10
The Good: living world, reputation system works great, day/night system, weather
The Bad: various logical mistakes, partly bad AI
Controls 8/10
The Good: simple controls, well-arranged statistics, useful list of skills
The Bad: journal, menu
Content 10/10
The Good: three big parts, many quests, three fractions, re-playability, countless secrets to explore
Quests and story 9/10
The Good: interesting story, quests fit well in the story, more ways how to solve quest
The Bad: sometimes laborious orders
Combat system 6/10
The Good: many various combos, you need different tactics against every opponent
The Bad: not accurate in big groups, bad co-fighters AI
Characters 10/10
The Good: great skills system, magic for close and range combat, useful professions, heros development can be planned well
Items 10/10
The Good: specific weapons and armors for specific fractions, many spells, option of making own items
btw. skinuh neki teksture pak za gothic kec odavde ali nesto ne primecujem razliku?!
editrimeti se razlika i to prilicno.video sam to tek kad sam izbacio mod.vec sam zaboravio kako izgleda kec....
vo je malo detaljnijeGraphics 9/10
The Good: very detailed landscapes, nice spell effects, great lighting
The Bad: sometimes ridiculous animations
Music and soundk 8/10
The Good: orchestral soundtrack, very good speech, surroundings sound
The Bad: sometimes bad effects, minors mistakes in speech
Balance 6/10
The Good: three degrees of difficulties, great monsters guard dangerous locations
The Bad: level is oscillating, rough progress on next level
Atmosphere 9/10
The Good: living world, reputation system works great, day/night system, weather
The Bad: various logical mistakes, partly bad AI
Controls 8/10
The Good: simple controls, well-arranged statistics, useful list of skills
The Bad: journal, menu
Content 10/10
The Good: three big parts, many quests, three fractions, re-playability, countless secrets to explore
Quests and story 9/10
The Good: interesting story, quests fit well in the story, more ways how to solve quest
The Bad: sometimes laborious orders
Combat system 6/10
The Good: many various combos, you need different tactics against every opponent
The Bad: not accurate in big groups, bad co-fighters AI
Characters 10/10
The Good: great skills system, magic for close and range combat, useful professions, heros development can be planned well
Items 10/10
The Good: specific weapons and armors for specific fractions, many spells, option of making own items
btw. skinuh neki teksture pak za gothic kec odavde ali nesto ne primecujem razliku?!
edit
rimeti se razlika i to prilicno.video sam to tek kad sam izbacio mod.vec sam zaboravio kako izgleda kec....
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Evo na kojim jezicima ce biti objavljen G3
German Version - Full localised (Means Text and VoiceOvers in German)
English Version - Full localised (Means Text and VoiceOvers in English)
French version - Full localised (Means Text and VoiceOvers in French)
Spanish Version - Semi localised (Text spanish and VoicerOvers in English)
Italian Version - Semi localised (Text Italian and VoicerOvers in English)
Russian Version - Full localised (Means Text and VoiceOvers in Russian)
Polish Version - Full localised (Means Text and VoiceOvers in Polish)
Hungarian Version - Semi localised (Text Hungarian and VoicerOvers in English)
More languages to come.
German Version - Full localised (Means Text and VoiceOvers in German)
English Version - Full localised (Means Text and VoiceOvers in English)
French version - Full localised (Means Text and VoiceOvers in French)
Spanish Version - Semi localised (Text spanish and VoicerOvers in English)
Italian Version - Semi localised (Text Italian and VoicerOvers in English)
Russian Version - Full localised (Means Text and VoiceOvers in Russian)
Polish Version - Full localised (Means Text and VoiceOvers in Polish)
Hungarian Version - Semi localised (Text Hungarian and VoicerOvers in English)
More languages to come.
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Sto mu Dragon Snappera!
Prvi put vidim da se neka igra sa sve glasovnom glumom prevodi na toliko jezika!
Ovi se bas zdali s tim prevodima
Koliko vidim, ocene su vrlo dobre! Izgleda da kombat sistem nije bas najbolji, al' opet to su subjektivna misljenja...Nije im valjao ni prethodni, dok je meni bio veoma dobar..
Prvi put vidim da se neka igra sa sve glasovnom glumom prevodi na toliko jezika!
Ovi se bas zdali s tim prevodima
Koliko vidim, ocene su vrlo dobre! Izgleda da kombat sistem nije bas najbolji, al' opet to su subjektivna misljenja...Nije im valjao ni prethodni, dok je meni bio veoma dobar..
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Opet će ovo biti najslabija tačka. Zar nije obećano da će se na borbenom sistemu poraditi?
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Ovo...
...i posebno ovo...
...mi se nimalo ne dopada.
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Official Gothic 3 system requirements revealed
This is what reads on the game box:
Quote:
Minimum:
* Windows 2000/XP/XP64
* 1024MB RAM
* Intel Pentium 4 / AMD CPU 2GHz or equivalent
* Direct3D compatible graphics card with at least 128MB and Shader Model 1.4
Optimum:
* Windows 2000/XP/XP64
* 1.5GB RAM
* Intel Pentium 4 / AMD CPU 3 GHz or equivalent
* ATI X1600 or better, Geforce 6800 or better, at least 256MB
Other:
* 4.6GB available fixed-disk storage
* DirectX 9.0c (included)
* DirectX 8.1 compatible sound card
* DVD-Drive
pa sad kako kome!
This is what reads on the game box:
Quote:
Minimum:
* Windows 2000/XP/XP64
* 1024MB RAM
* Intel Pentium 4 / AMD CPU 2GHz or equivalent
* Direct3D compatible graphics card with at least 128MB and Shader Model 1.4
Optimum:
* Windows 2000/XP/XP64
* 1.5GB RAM
* Intel Pentium 4 / AMD CPU 3 GHz or equivalent
* ATI X1600 or better, Geforce 6800 or better, at least 256MB
Other:
* 4.6GB available fixed-disk storage
* DirectX 9.0c (included)
* DirectX 8.1 compatible sound card
* DVD-Drive
pa sad kako kome!
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Ima neko gigu rama na zajam?
Pa zar je minimum 1024? Zar nije trebalo 512? Well, who cares..
Pa zar je minimum 1024? Zar nije trebalo 512? Well, who cares..
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Zar će toliko bolje da radi na ATIju da je dovoljna skoro duplo sporija karta...
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Daj boze, s'obzirom da moj 9800 tesko da ce da potera nesto previse zahtevno! Samo jos da skrpim 2giga rama (just in case)!
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U tvom slučaju to neće imati neke posebne veze, pošto će ti igra izgledati osakaćeno kako god da okreneš. Reč je o optimizaciji za poslednje generacije grafičkih karti. Prosto ne mogu da verujem da će jedan X1600Pro koji se jedva kolje sa 6600GT da radi ekvivalentno 6800. To može samo da znači da je u pitanju nekakva užasno slaba otpimizacija, ili pak da su želeli da upozore ATIjevce da im igra neće lepo raditi na kartama prethodne generacije sa svim uključenim detaljima (X800/600 imaju ozbiljne propuste sa kompatibilnošću).
Slično je bilo sa Oblivionom, ali je kod njega sasvim druga priča. On zbog gomile šejdera radi bolje na X19X0 nego na 79XX kartama jer X19X0 imaju gomile shader procesora. No, u klasi ispod to nema veze, jer se sve karte tu vrte na podjednakom broju shader procesora u klasi. Da skratim, teško da ćeš ti ikakve vajde imati od eventualnog boljeg rada na ATIju, misli se na poslednju generaciju i optimizacije za nju, ranije karte kao tvoja 9800 neće prikazivati pola detalja i nema smisla govoriti o bilo kakvim optimizacijama...
Slično je bilo sa Oblivionom, ali je kod njega sasvim druga priča. On zbog gomile šejdera radi bolje na X19X0 nego na 79XX kartama jer X19X0 imaju gomile shader procesora. No, u klasi ispod to nema veze, jer se sve karte tu vrte na podjednakom broju shader procesora u klasi. Da skratim, teško da ćeš ti ikakve vajde imati od eventualnog boljeg rada na ATIju, misli se na poslednju generaciju i optimizacije za nju, ranije karte kao tvoja 9800 neće prikazivati pola detalja i nema smisla govoriti o bilo kakvim optimizacijama...
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Ja sam mislio da tvoja ljubav prema Gothicu ne poznaje granice.:d
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dok sam bio klinac lepo mi je rekao ujak [a nisam mu verovao] pred kupovinu kompa..."to ti je rupa bez dna"...
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Par novih informacija...
Sad bi trebalo da je konacno-Gothic 3: Gold for the second time:banana:
The previous Gothic 3 goldmaster was called back because of the amount of bugs that were still present. Now JoWooD let us know that the new goldmaster for Gothic 3 is officially finished and in production.
The releasedate of Oktober the 13th still stands firmly.
Liezen, Österreich, 26th of September 2006; Thousands of fans have been shocked after the message: “Gothic 3 is not gold anymore”. Rumours about delays, current situation of development and quality problems circulated trough the community and fans became much more nervous each day. JoWooD Productions, Deep Silver and Piranha Bytes attach great importance to on a very good quality which suits the expectations of the fans. Due to this reason the version has been optimized till the last second. Now it’s done: Gothic 3 is ready and in production. The game will be released on the 13th of October.
Nadjoh jednu sliku,nadam se da vas nece razocarati.:wall: Kazu da je ipak iz "one" verzije sto je vracena na doradu.Mada tesko da se tu sta moglo promeniti za par dana.Evo je:
Sad bi trebalo da je konacno-Gothic 3: Gold for the second time:banana:
The previous Gothic 3 goldmaster was called back because of the amount of bugs that were still present. Now JoWooD let us know that the new goldmaster for Gothic 3 is officially finished and in production.
The releasedate of Oktober the 13th still stands firmly.
Liezen, Österreich, 26th of September 2006; Thousands of fans have been shocked after the message: “Gothic 3 is not gold anymore”. Rumours about delays, current situation of development and quality problems circulated trough the community and fans became much more nervous each day. JoWooD Productions, Deep Silver and Piranha Bytes attach great importance to on a very good quality which suits the expectations of the fans. Due to this reason the version has been optimized till the last second. Now it’s done: Gothic 3 is ready and in production. The game will be released on the 13th of October.
Nadjoh jednu sliku,nadam se da vas nece razocarati.:wall: Kazu da je ipak iz "one" verzije sto je vracena na doradu.Mada tesko da se tu sta moglo promeniti za par dana.Evo je:
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Ma jeste...najjace da na X1900XTX-u radi u 30 fps i to u 1024x768...
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Ova slika je za :wall:
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Znaci treba mi jos pola giga rama da bih imao 12 fpsu igri, strasno.:wall: :wall: :wall:
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G!!!
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sto jes jes, 1 gb je minimum...gigaipo tu negde, tek sa dva je komocija ali fora je sto bih sa mojom masinom i jos 512 rama, mogao ocekivati negde oko 20ak fpsova na osrednjim podesavanjima u 1024 a grafika sama i nije nesto toliko zapanjujuca... n-e-o-p-t-i-m-i-z-o-v-a-n-o... blah... bash sam od nemaca ocekivao druacije...
ali fora je sto bih sa mojom masinom i jos 512 rama, mogao ocekivati negde oko 20ak fpsova na osrednjim podesavanjima u 1024 a grafika sama i nije nesto toliko zapanjujuca... n-e-o-p-t-i-m-i-z-o-v-a-n-o... blah... bash sam od nemaca ocekivao druacije...
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