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Je l' ovo uopšte zvaničano? Ako jeste onda je sramota! Lame je da ne spomenu eyefinity, koji je u suštini bolji/jeftiniji zato što radi na jednoj grafici. I šta znače one tri štile na teselaciji? Da 3x bolje radi teselaciju od 5800 serije? Na ovo mogu samo da nasednu neke paljevine...
 
Te tri stile su i mene odusevile, i onaj mocni autic :D ova prezentacija je radjena u stilu predskolskog deteta :D covek ocekuje nesto ozbiljno od tako velike kompanije, a dobije sper ploce na repzentacijama, decje slajdove i stalna odlaganja....
 
Je l' ovo uopšte zvaničano? Ako jeste onda je sramota! Lame je da ne spomenu eyefinity, koji je u suštini bolji/jeftiniji zato što radi na jednoj grafici. I šta znače one tri štile na teselaciji? Da 3x bolje radi teselaciju od 5800 serije? Na ovo mogu samo da nasednu neke paljevine...

Tebi je cudno sto su stavili 3 checka na teselaciju za GF100 ? Naprotiv, meni je cudno sto su za tu stavku i kod Ati checkirali jednu, to nisam ocekivao od nVidia-e :D

Evo sta kaze nVidia za teselation:

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Zar stvarno mislite da je ono zaista NVidia izbacila onu tabelu? To je nekom bilo dosadno pa igralo se dete :)
 
Ili se igrao Starac :D:d
 
Naravno da je Nvidia napravila tu tabelu. Naravno, to je deo šire prezentacije, i nije trebalo da procuri u javnost, bar ne još, ali se od neta danas teško šta može sakriti.
 
GeForce GTX 470 will be 20-25% better than GeForce GTX 285

http://vr-zone.com/forums/565049/geforce-gtx-470-will-be-20-25-better-than-geforce-gtx-285.html

http://vr-zone.com/forums/564963/sp...o-raise-the-game-graphics-to-a-new-level.html

Donanimhaber.com talked with reliable source about GeForce GTX 470 and GeForce GTX 480. According to article, performance of GeForce GTX 470 will be better than GeForce GTX 285 (20-25%), performance of GeForce GTX 480 will be closely with ATi Radeon HD 5970.

In addition that, GeForce GTX 480 has similar maximum board power with ATi Radeon HD 5970 [294W]. Article also gives some price info;

- GeForce GTX 470: ~$500
- GeForce GTX 480: ~$600
 
Donanimhaber.com talked with reliable source about GeForce GTX 470 and GeForce GTX 480. According to article, performance of GeForce GTX 470 will be better than GeForce GTX 285 (20-25%), performance of GeForce GTX 480 will be closely with ATi Radeon HD 5970.

Nemaju te brojke bas previse smisla. Cypress (5870) je u proseku ~30 brzi od GTX 285, a 5970 je jos nekih 60% iznad njega. To bi znacilo da je GTX 480 od 470 brzi 70%... kako li su to izveli sa samo ~15% vise Cuda Cores.
 
Jedino ako nije 470 prepolovljeni 480...
 
Nemaju te brojke bas previse smisla. Cypress (5870) je u proseku ~30 brzi od GTX 285, a 5970 je jos nekih 60% iznad njega. To bi znacilo da je GTX 480 od 470 brzi 70%... kako li su to izveli sa samo ~15% vise Cuda Cores.

Dušane teško je dve različite arhitekture uporediti uprosečavanjem. 5870 je oko 20% brži od 5850, a ovaj je opet negde brži 10%, negde izjednačen, a u nekim testovima i nešto sporiji od GTX285 u 19x12. Ali svakako si u pravu kada misliš da GTX 480 ne može biti toliko bolji od GTX 470, barem prema onim informacija koje smo do sad dobijali.
 
Dušane teško je dve različite arhitekture uporediti uprosečavanjem. 5870 je oko 20% brži od 5850, a ovaj je opet negde brži 10%, negde izjednačen, a u nekim testovima i nešto sporiji od GTX285 u 19x12. Ali svakako si u pravu kada misliš da GTX 480 ne može biti toliko bolji od GTX 470, barem prema onim informacija koje smo do sad dobijali.

Naravno, to su samo orijentacione brojke :)

Kada sam testirao 5870 razlika u odnosu na GTX 285 se kretala od 20 do 35 ili malo vise procenata, u zavisnosti od testa. Stoga sam naveo tih 30% kao neku "srednju" vrednost.
 
I za peCto dolara ce da prodaju kartu koja je negde izmedju 5850 i 5870 ?
Ako se tako pametne cene prenesu i na maintstream onda definitivno nemaju sanse da im ja budem kupac.
 
Naravno, to su samo orijentacione brojke :)

Kada sam testirao 5870 razlika u odnosu na GTX 285 se kretala od 20 do 35 ili malo vise procenata, u zavisnosti od testa. Stoga sam naveo tih 30% kao neku "srednju" vrednost.
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Dobro, par procenata gore-dole ;) Lepo sam u prvom postu stavio ~30% (doduse, to je bilo sa beta drajverima za 5800 seriju, razlika je sada svakako veca).

U principu ne menja uopste sustinu onoga o cemu smo pricali, a to je da GTX 480 (prema onome sto znamo?) ne moze biti 70% brzi od GTX 470. Da li je typo ili je jos jedna dezinformacija, nemam pojma, ali brojke svakako nisu tacne.
 
Sad videh da nisam stigao da iskomentarišem onaj PowerPoint slide što je starac okačio :)

Ovako:
1. World fastest performance - odmah se da primetiti da je osnova za poređenje G100 kod nVidije i 5800 serija kod AMD-a a ne 5900. Znači World's Fastest my ass :)
2. DX11 w/fast Tessellation - samo tri puta više kvačica? Polymorph ovo-ono.
3. Interactive Ray Tracing - neka me neko ispravi ali zar ovo nije software feature?
4. Physics - nVidia wins
5. Sterescopic 3D Gaming - pa to će AMD imati pre nego što nVidija izbaci G100 :) link
6. Multi monitor stereo gaming - yeah, ali sa Tri SLI setup-om (multi a ne dual). Za razliku od AMD-a.
7. GPU Computing - nVidia wins (za sada :) )

Pa i nije za hvaljenje PP slide :)

Iako nije uopšte bilo vredno komentarisati ga, ovo sam uradio zbog DAS-a ;)
 
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Stavka 3. vec postoji na svim cuda capable karticama link i provereno radi:)
Samo da zazivi fermi pa ce raditi jos bolje;)

Interesuje me kada opencl inicijativa planira da se uozbilji po ovom pitanju?

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Lower-Cost Fermi Graphics Processors Due in the Middle of the Year – Nvidia.

Nvidia Corp.’s chief financial officer said that lower-cost Fermi graphics chips would emerge sometime in the middle of the year and around the same time the company would release its next-generation Quadro professional graphics accelerator based on the Fermi micro-architecture.

“Fermi will show up as the GeForce and Tesla first and it will definitely show up first in the highest-performance configuration. Sometime in the mid-part of the year we will see a lower-cost version of that come out both for Quadro and Tesla,” said David White, chief financial officer of Nvidia, at Goldman Sachs Technology Conference.

Traditionally Nvidia released its Quadro graphics accelerators considerably later than the GeForce graphics cards for consumers, hence, there is no surprise that there will be no new Quadro at the launch of the GeForce GTX 400-series on the 26th of March, 2010. Still it is a surprise that Nvidia, perhaps, even decided not use its flagship GF100 graphics processor for the next-generation Quadro graphics boards. Of course, Nvidia does have very good positions on the market of professional graphics accelerators and can allow itself to postpone the launch of a new Quadro in case it has issues with software or thermals. However, Nvidia has had the GF100 (NV60, G300, GT300) chip for over six month now and the drivers should be more or less polished off.

There will be one chip – GF100 – powering high-end GeForce GTX 470 and GeForce GTX 480 high-end graphics cards as well as Tesla C2050 and C2070 add-in computing boards, it will only have different configuration. It is rather clear that GF100 is an expensive chip and it will not be able to power mainstream solutions. As a result, it is completely expected that Nvidia will tape out and release a new graphics processing unit (GPU) – some call it GF104 – for more affordable accelerators. It is a surprise that Quadro FX 6000-series will not feature the GF100, at least, based on the information provided by the CFO of Nvidia. Nvidia also confirmed that in Q2 – Q3 2010 graphics processors powered by Fermi architecture would become mainstream for the company.

Nvidia’s financial chief reaffirmed that the company’s Fermi architecture is equally good for computing, graphics processing or professional usage thanks to “modular design”.

“We did something different when we announced Fermi: we announced it at a compute conference, not a graphics conference. A lot of people interpreted that announcement to mean that this is compute device and we are giving up gaming. That is not the case. Fermi is an entire architecture and it is a modular architecture that allows us to scale the feature-set depending on the market need. So, we will taping out and announcing a whole stack of Fermi products that will be very specific for computing at the very high-end of the stack and others will be targeted at desktops and personal computing,” added Mr. White.

The first graphics cards based on Fermi architecture are projected to become available in late March, 2010.

Izvor: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/...ors_Due_in_the_Middle_of_the_Year_Nvidia.html
 
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U vezi onih cena i sklj sajtova sa preorderima...

Remember those early e-tail listings for Nvidia's upcoming GeForce GTX 470 and 480 graphics cards? You know, the ones with exorbitant price tags? Well, if we're to believe the folks at Nvidia, those figures aren't representative of what Fermi-based GeForces will actually cost when they officially launch on March 26.

The company gave us the following statement about GTX 400-series pricing:

NVIDIA and our launch partners have not released pricing or pre-order information yet. Any Web sites claiming to be taking pre-orders should not be considered legitimate.

Those premature listings quoted prices of $679.99 for the GTX 480 and $499.99 for the GTX 470. As we noted yesterday, such pricing would put the GeForce GTX 480 right up against AMD's $650 Radeon HD 5970, which packs two Cypress graphics processors and mean performance. GF100 boards will likely be single-GPU affairs, unless Nvidia pulls off some sort of miracle, although they may be faster than single-GPU Radeon HD 5800-series cards.

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/18529
 
onda se pitam ko nasjeda na takve shtosove. :trust:

ha ha ovo ti je dobro, pazi "vako":
nedavno su se pojavile OEM GT300 kartice u Americi i ljudi su ladno mislili da je GT310 brža od GTX295-ice, eto koliko su tupavi i eto ti odgovora ko će da im nasedne na štos :D

ali priznajem po debilizmu Ameri su van konkurencije :d
 
Da li ste obratili formulaciju poslednje recenice u vesti sa Techreporta?

...although they may be faster than single-GPU Radeon HD 5800-series cards.

Naravno, verujem da oko toga nema dileme, bice brza po svaku cenu, ali pokazuje koliko su ljudi postali skepticni.

Koliko ce da kosta mozemo i dalje da nagadjamo, dok NVidia ne objavi tacne specifikacije, ali ako performanse budu na ovom nivou, kartice nece biti finansijski isplative za desktop. ATI ce ponovo biti znacajno jeftiniji u proizvodnji, do sada je vec prodao verovatno oko 3 miliona cipova, pa moze da diktira cenu kako hoce - pa i da spusti 5870 u sub 300$ dolara klasu ako zeli i utera NVidiju u gubitke.

Sve ce se svesti na yield koji NVidia moze da dobije Fermijem - ako bude oko 30%, cena kostanja komponenti za proizvodnju GTX 470 ce biti 200+ dolara, bez kalkulisanja ikakve zarade za NVidiju ili AIB partnera.
 
Onaj ares ko da je ispao iz star track-a.... kolko vidim to(dual gf100) je samo na papiru....
 
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