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DirectX 11 je standard koji ce podrzavati i Ati i Nvidija. Ati ce (verovatno) prvi izbaciti kartice koje podrzavaju DX 11 set instrukcija, ali ce na kraju i jedni i drugi podrzavati isto.
 
nVidia plans GT300 demos for late September.

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/8/28/nvidia-plans-gt300-demos-for-late-september.aspx

After hearing from multiple sources spanning on several continents, we can be fairly certain that the samples of nVidia's first DirectX 11 GPU are going to depart from engineering labs. Just like GT200, GT300 spent several months in the Labs while the drivers were being created.

Given that today's GeForce drivers contain more code than Windows XP core, we aren't surprised that nVidia is taking time to get the product ready for market. Just like some media were suggesting that GT200 taped out in March 2008 [while some developers got the GT200 cards as early as three months before that tape out story], GT300 needs time [and human resources] to finish the development. GT300 is the base graphics architecture not just for the standard desktop or notebook graphics, but also as a future graphics base for the Tegra generation of products. And with recent rumors of nVidia implementing ECC feature into the GPU [which is a given, since GDDR5 comes with ECC], Tesla parts should be quite interesting as well.

But now, we have received words that AIBs are getting time frames forthe demonstrations to their own partners and press, with the firstevents happening in September. The dates are obviously planned to bluntthe katana-sharp market attack from ATI's Radeon 5000 series.

On nVidia's annual gathering of add-in-board manufacturers [happened a while ago], a lot of harsh words were spoken due to renaming policies, OEM positioning and more importantly, how to combat resurgent ATI - it was stated that a lot is expected from the NV70 e.g. GT300 generation.

Now, the only question is how long it will take for nVidia's demo team and software vendors to create traditional launch demos. ATI dropped the practice with the Radeon 4000 series, showing raytraced Ruby in its Cinema 2.0 event, but the demo didn't became available to general public. All in all, computer graphics arena is never boring.
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Lammasu je napisao(la):
Skroz logicno i uskladu sa njihovom politikom, ako bi sad konacno izbacili 40nm derivate za koje su jos prosle godine rekli da ce biti prvi 40nm cipovi na trzistu :)wall:) i nazvali ih GT2** u glavama ljudi bi zaostajali za ATI-jem koji za deset dana izbacuje novu generaciju.
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ne samo u glavama ljudi nego i u praksi :smackbum:
 
hint: Rumor!

Meni nije realno da tako nesto urade... 8800GT mogla je realno proci kao GTS250 samo zbog toga sto je arhitektura G200 potpuno ista.
 
Nije problem u rebrendiranju, jer kupca ne zanima naziv proizvoda već učinkovitost. Ako se zelenima isplati da shrinkuju G200 kako bi ga prodali u jevtinijoj klasi koju ne pokrivaju novom arhitekturom neka im, što bi rekao moj profesor " zovi me krčag al' me nemoj razbit' ". Baš me briga što je G92b nekad bio high-end, a sad se zove GTS250, ako je u stanju da se nosi po performansama sa midrange proizvodom konkurencije po istoj ceni.
 
chupo92 je napisao(la):
Opet iako je rumor, izgleda da nije daleko od istine.... možda će izbaciti mainstream proizvode koji će biti rebrandirani, dok će flagship izaći krajem godine.
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Neverujem pogotovo sto ce 3xx biti DX11... i ranije NV i ATI uglavnom su u razlicitim periodima izbacivali nove serije GPU-a nevidim razlog da se to menja nasilu kada bi takav potez NV doneo vise loseg nego dobrog..
 
Ako stvarno to urade i dx10 karte brendiraju kao gt 3xx seriju, bice kao kupovati jeftiniju hranu kojoj rok trajanja istice za par dana :bottle:.
 
Znam, zato sam ovako ozbiljan ,).
 
This pic is funny on many levels. :D
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Nvidia roadmaps turn up

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Po ovome:
Take note that the D11 parts are only in the bottom three categories, Mainstream A and B, along with Performance A. As we said a few days ago, this is nothing more than a cynical renaming borne from a gross inability to make new parts. It also is quite emblematic of Nvidia's inability to deliver even a G92 class part on 40nm. To bang that drum once again, if Nvidia has huge problems yielding ~100mm^2 and smaller dies on TSMC 40nm, what chance does it have of producing a >500mm^2 part? For the math averse, the answer is less than 1/25th the chance.
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Renaming serije 200 u seriju 300 je veoma moguć.

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To give you an idea of how confident it is of this plan working out, the roadmaps for the Spring 2010 season still list the GTX280 with 1792MB as the lead card. If GT300 doesn't work perfectly and it needs to do a second spin, Nvidia is literally out of the high end graphics game. If that does work out, it gets to promote a card that it can't make at the expense of the products it can produce. Great choices there.

The meat of the market, Performance B, is still served by the venerable G92. Ouch. No, really. Nvidia's inability to make a part is getting painful to watch at this point. Juniper will kill this part at a lower cost.


The bottom three, the GT330/320/310 chips, are simply shrunk versions of their 230/220/210 predecessors. Nvidia is listing the performance gains from the 230 to the 330 as +20%, 220 to 320 as +60%, and 210 to 310 as 30%. For Performance B and Enthusiast, there are no gains listed because the parts don't change at all.
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Po meni ovaj roadmap nema smisla.... ako ati u istoj fabrici proizvodi 40nm nevidim razloga da Nvidia nemoze uraditi isto pogotovo u mainstream i low segmentu, a i trenutno koristiti zastarelu memoriju kad se GDDR5 moze naci za slicnoj ceni nema smisla
 
zeljko je napisao(la):
Po meni ovaj roadmap nema smisla.... ako ati u istoj fabrici proizvodi 40nm nevidim razloga da Nvidia nemoze uraditi isto pogotovo u mainstream i low segmentu, a i trenutno koristiti zastarelu memoriju kad se GDDR5 moze naci za slicnoj ceni nema smisla
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Slazem se za roadmap, ali je cinjenica da iz nekog razloga ne mogu da urade shrink na 40nm! Zasto ne znam, ali je cinjenica da imaju mnogo vise problema u mainstream i low segmentu nego ATI u high.
 
Lammasu je napisao(la):
Slazem se za roadmap, ali je cinjenica da iz nekog razloga ne mogu da urade shrink na 40nm! Zasto ne znam, ali je cinjenica da imaju mnogo vise problema u mainstream i low segmentu nego ATI u high.
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Ja neverujem da je to tacno... ako kojim slucajem jesto bice ~6 meseci veoma gadno za NV...
 
zeljko je napisao(la):
Ja neverujem da je to tacno... ako kojim slucajem jesto bice ~6 meseci veoma gadno za NV...
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Pa gledaj realno, zar nisu trebali da izbace 40nm GT200 cipove jos zimus? Ne mozemo reci da im bas i nisu trebali s obzirom kako je ATI pritegao u low/mainstream trzistu.
Sa druge strane ATI je uspeo, doduse imao je problema da zadovolji potraznju ali su opet izbacili 4770, a sada izbacuju i High end karte tako da se zakljucak navodi sam.
Pa nece biti bas toliko gadno, GeForce brend je jak, ako dodje do toga uradice novi rebranding... Obavesteni korisnici su definitivno u manjini;)
 
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i dalje ovu vest tertiram kao zluradu informaciju AMD ofarbanih terorista :)
 
Pa sto? samo napisu Win7 ready i daju novo ime, sad sto nema podrsku za dx11 nema veze.Tako je pisalo i na kartama iz 7xxx generacije vista ready a nisu podrzavale dx10.Profit ne bira sredstvo...
 
@Rapture:
Dx11 nije exkluziva Windowsa 7. DX11 ce postojati i na Visti, tako da i dalje ne razumem zasto se povlaci znak jednakosti izmedju DX11 i Win7.
Drugo, Win7 + DX11 karta na ovu skupocu.. mnogo je to.
 
A da, zaboravio sam:)...

Ovog puta cemo izgleda cekati nvidiu da ubije cene ati karti.:whip:
 
Meni ovaj pixell-ov post liči na proročanstvo uduvanih AMD/ATI fanova koji vežbaju optimizam. Nestvaran je totalno. :d
 
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zeljko je napisao(la):
Po meni ovaj roadmap nema smisla.... ako ati u istoj fabrici proizvodi 40nm nevidim razloga da Nvidia nemoze uraditi isto pogotovo u mainstream i low segmentu, a i trenutno koristiti zastarelu memoriju kad se GDDR5 moze naci za slicnoj ceni nema smisla
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Jedan moguci razlog su nVidia-ini full custom ALU-i. Custom dizaj znaci da ne koriste automatizovan proces generisanja kola, vec prave "rucno" layout i eventualno neke celije na osnovu fizickih parametara proizvodnog procesa. To je super za izvlacenje apsolutnog maksimuma iz datog procesa i razlog je zasto ALU-i u G92 dodiruju 2GHz. S druge strane, to nije lak poduhvat, pogotovo dok dati proces jos nije zreo.


Paradigma je napisao(la):
Meni ovaj pixell-ov post liči na proročanstvo uduvanih AMD/ATI fanova koji vežbaju optimizam. Nestvaran je totalno. :d
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Sto bi celu stvar ucinilo jos tuznijom da se kojim slucajem ostvari.
Cinjenica je da se GT215 jos uvek nije pojavio u retail-u. Poslednji rumor je bio da ce se pojaviti u decembru, sto bi znaci da jos uvek imaju konkretnih problema sa 40nm procesom.
Podsecanja radi GT215 (a.k.a. D11P1) je 40nm Dx10.1 chip sa 96sp i die size ~150mm^2.

Jedna nezgodna posledica kasnjenja svih mainstreama 40nm kartica ce se videti po pojavi GT300 -> nVidia-in lineup ce biti podeljen po pitanju DirectX podrske: Dx11 za highend-u, Dx10.0 za performanse, i Dx10.1 za sve ostalo.
 
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http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/...PQ4QHVQE1GHPSKHWATMY32JVN?articleID=219501118

SAN JOSE, Calif. -- As it solidifies its process roadmap, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. Ltd. (TSMC) continues to see a surge in business.


After a slump in the first quarter, TSMC (Hsinchu, Taiwan) rebounded and recently posted strong results in the second quarter. The company also raised its capital spending to $2.3 billion for 2009. Its capital spending budget is projected to exceed $2 billion in 2010, according to analysts.


And in the meantime, the foundry giant is seeing better-than-expected sales demand in the third quarter of 2009, according to an analyst. ''Checks with TSMC lead us to believe 3Q guidance of plus 20 percent could move to around 25 percent with computing/graphics leading, followed by communications and then consumer,'' said C.J. Muse, an analyst with Barclays Capital, in a new report based on company visits in Taiwan this week.


TSMC reported consolidated revenue of NT$74.21 billion ($2.24 billion) and net income of NT$24.44 billion ($738 million) in the second quarter. Year-over-year, second quarter revenue decreased 15.8 percent, while net income decreased 15 percent. Compared to first quarter of 2009, second quarter results represent an 87.9 percent increase in revenue, and an increase of 1,467.9 percent in net income.


Meanwhile, on the process side, the company continues to make progress on the leading-edge, especially at the 40-nm node. ''40-nm appears now to be ramping well for 4Q after earlier challenges,'' Muse said. ''We believe improved mix may enable firmer 4Q '09 ASPs.''


As reported, TSMC initially experienced low 40-nm yields. Now, the company's 40-nm yields are improving to a large degree, he indicated.


TSMC continues to move full speed ahead on new technology. In an interview with EE Times, Jack Sun, vice president of R&D at TSMC, insisted that the company is on schedule with its upcoming 32- and 28-nm processes.
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