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Dobro se secas. I moja procena je da ce izaci u Aprilu. Athlon implementacija K8L-a nece pre septembra, sto mu dodje Q3 2007.
 
Dakle, nece se zvati Hound ?!
 
Hm ... na kutiji stoji 65W "enery efficient", a u specifikacijama stepping ADO4200CUBOX (koji odgovara 65W) i 90nm
 
pa svi Brisbanei ce biti EE...
Dole u tabeli ti stoji radna voltazza: 1.2-1.25V!
 
Nema sanse da je to Brisbane! To je 90nm Windsor EE 65W.

Brisbane ce prvi dobiti DELL u ogromnim kolicinama za njihove jeftine DELL Dimension Athlon bazirane masine.
 
Charlie opet o K8L

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34433


THERE HAS BEEN a lot of conflicting info coming out about AMD, quad cores and its 65 nanometre process. To clear this all up, I dug up the info the old fashioned way, I asked AMD. So, directly from the horse's mouth, here is the info on all the hot AMD topics.

The QC parts are rumoured to be coming in Q2/07, Q4/07 and Q1/08, and are said to be both the old and the new cores. Some people call the Q2 part K8L, others call the Q4/Q1 parts the same, but since AMD has no product called K8L, that is kind of speculative.

So, which story is right, and what timetable is it on? The short version is that all QC parts are the new core, Rev H, any stories to the contrary, including mine, are wrong. That said, the timelines, all three of them, are correct. There are two new cores coming from AMD, and three times for introductions.

The first one, set for Q2/07 is code named Barcelona, and it is a Rev H cored quad capable part with HT2.0. It will come in all power levels, including 68W and the SE 120W, but mainstream parts should be 95W. Barcelona cores will fit into existing infrastructure with no modifications necessary providing the boards and chipsets meet all the current specs.

So, what about Q4/07 and Q1/08? Well, that is the interesting part, it is the other new core for the year. The Q4/07 part is called Budapest, and it is the Barcelona core with HT3.0 in 12xx Opteron and A64 guise. The core should be done well within the alloted time frames, but its introduction may be delayed due chipset availability. Basically, this is the first major update to HT, and people may miss windows.

The next major part is called Shanghai, it is simply the 22xx and 82xx version of Budapest. It is being delayed to Q1/08, possibly Q2 because of the aforementioned chipset availability and likely increased validation needs. Lets just say you should see Shanghai in 1H/08.

So, two cores, three introductions, and a lot of conflicting info. That also sums up the stuff swirling about 65 nanometre production. Let's be clear about this, full flow this month means just that, the fabs are flowing fully, this does not mean the wafers are coming out of the fabs yet. It takes about 12 weeks from the time a wafer goes in to the fab to the time it comes out with pretty pictures drawn on it.

This means if they turned the tap on in early September as Tony wrote, you won't be seeing chips with smaller pretty pictures drawn on them until late in Q4. If the timing was exact, you can expect them in early December, which fits in exactly with what AMD has been saying all along.

So, the summary for the short attention span set, two new cores with three introductions. On top of that, you have 65nm coming in months, not a month. All clear now? Put the magic 8-balls away and go outside for a change. µ
 
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Budapest i Shanghai ce biti AM3 procesori u A64 izdanju, sto se poklapa sa ovom pricom. AM3 ce doneti DDR3 i HT3.0 . HT3.0 je nadole kompatibilan sa postojecim HT2.0, pa ce doticni procesori moci da se "bodu" u AM2 i SocketF ploce.
Pored toga, verovatno izgleda da je Socket F pin kompatibilan sa HT3.0 procesorima i HT3.0 chipsetovima, bas kao sto je to i AM2 sa AM3.

Po ovome prvo izlazi QC Barcelona, sa HT2.0 i DDR2 podrskom, u Q2 2007. , i to ce verovatno biti Socket F procesor - Opteron 22xx i 82xx .

Ono sto je jos uvek nejasno je da li ce i kad ce biti DC procesora baziranim na popularno krstenom K8L jezgru.

Verujem da ce AMD svim silama da se potrudi da bude kompetentan u donjem i srednjem segmentu, sa nadolazecim, vaskrslim "PentiJumuma", samo jos nikome nije jasno cime.

Za sada u donjem segmentu AMD vlada, ali pitanje je dokle. Ako na vreme izbace novije jezgro, onda nisu u opasnosti. Sudeci po najnovijim vestima, izgleda da su bas nagazili na gas kada ce prvi proc. sa novim jezgrom izaci u Q2 07.

Mozemo da pretpostavimo da ce QC verzija izaci na 4-godisnjicu Opterona, a desktop varijante u Septembru 07.

Dakle, nacekacemo se jos bar godinu i nesto dana dok ne budemo u kucistima furali nove AMD-ove azdaje.

Do tada, ko hoce ultra mega giga jak komp, moze slobodno da predje na Core2 Duo. 😉
 
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khm... kompetITIVni 😉
LM, AMD je u ovom momentu kometitivan protiv vaskrslih petiuma, jer kao sto sam rekao K8-ci treba cirka 500 MHz vise u odnosu na Core da bi se nosio sa njim. 3200, 3500 i 3800 se u skladu sa tom teorijom bez problema nose sa Pentiumima 1020, 1040, 1060.
Obzirom da ce svi Optroni sledece generacije biti QC, prvi DC Athloni zasnovanina K8L jezgri ce biti shkartovi Opterona, a tamo negde u Q4 2K7 ili Q1 2K8 krenuce i proizvodnja prepolovljenih K8L-ova od kojih ce nastajati DC Athloni X2.
 
Sta mislis koliko ce taj QC K8L sa L3 cache-om imati tranzistora ? Ja cenim bar 450-500 miliona.

Uzgred, Pentiumi ce biti sjajna stvar za male pare.... 😉
 
Sta mislis koliko ce taj QC K8L sa L3 cache-om imati tranzistora ? Ja cenim bar 450-500 miliona.

Uzgred, Pentiumi ce biti sjajna stvar za male pare.... 😉
pa jedino sto je dobro u vezi sa njima jeste da ce imati dovoljno visoke mnozioce da se cepaju visko na 965 plocama koj emogu da izvuku 500 MHz za FSB! Jedino ce problem biti memara, jer PC8000 nice biti jeftin ni kada se ti procesori konacno pojave, a za 965 i njen minimalni mnozilac 2 DDR2-ka koja moze da izvuce gigaher je imperativ!
 
Big changes in the 65nm Athlon 64 X2

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=674711

2006-9-25 17:43

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On the previous time, we have reported AMD has cut Athlon 64 X2 4000+/4400+/4800+, which has 1MB x2 L2 Cache, to counter the price cut of Intel on July 23, leaving those 512KB L2 cache models including Athlon 64 X2 3800+/4200+/4600+/5000+. And now, sources indicate that AMD plans to re-release Athlon 64 X2 4000+/4400+/4800+ in Nov 2006, but different in specification to the pervious ones.

Previously, Athlon 64 X2 4000+/4400+/4800+ are based on 90nm Windsor with 1MB x2 L2 Cache. Now, the new re-release models are based on 65nm Brisbane with 512KB x2 L2 Cache. In addition, they are in 100MHz higher than the previous models. The new clock speeds are 2.1GHz, 2.3GHz and 2.5GHz respectively. All of them are in 65W TDP, no more 89W TDP version. And there is 65nm Athlon 64 X2 5000+ coming soon. This would be the same as 90nm Windsor version, but with a lower TDP to 76W.

Besides, the frequency multiplier for the upcoming 65nm products including AMD Athlon 64 FX, AMD Athlon X2 (Brisbane) and AMD Sempron (Sparta) have been changed to 0.5x. The integral multiplier limited a 200MHz (by Hyper-Transport Bus) separation between each existing model. The change of the multiplier could lower the separation to 100MHz, making the product line be more flexible. With regard to the change of frequency multiplier, the Brand ID Expansion has been increased from 8 bits to 16 bits with a new CPUID, so new BIOS is a must for supporting.

By the way, AMD has given a new definition of Athlon 64 FX as SMP (Symmetric Multi-Processor) supporting for enthusiastic users, so the existing Athlon 64 FX would renamed to Athlon 64 X2. The original upcoming Athlon 64 FX-64 would be named to Athlon 64 X2 6000+ (3GHz/1MB L2 x 2/1GHz HTT) under such decision. Athlon 64 X2 6000+ would be released in this November.

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edit:
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=674691&starttime=0&endtime=0

Kenstfield’s Rival: AMD Athlon 64 FX-2P

2006-9-25 16:41

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As Intel announced last week that the company plans to release Quad-core Kenstfield Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 (2.66GHz/4MB L2 x2/1066MHz FSB) in Nov 2006 for enthusiastic market, AMD also got their plan on defense. This plan is so called 4x4 enthusiast platform as reported before. Here we get more information about the new platform.

4x4 enthusiast platform is simply an introduction of SMP (Symmetric Multi-Processor) of Operton from the server segment. 4 threads processing ability is accomplished by using 2 Athlon 64 FX-2P dual-core processors, very simple idea indeed. Athlon 64 FX-2P family will be released in Nov 2006 as well like Kenstfield. The first round models include Athlon 64 FX-70 (2.6GHz), FX72 (2.8GHz) and FX74 (3.0GHz). They feature Windsor core with 1MBx2 L2 cache and 125W TDP. Our first sight is that Athlon 64 FX-2P is simply the DDR2 version of Opteron 2P.

From the latest roadmap from AMD, AMD has cancelled 1P support to Athlon 64 FX, but grant the support to Athlon 64 X2. 4x4 enthusiast platform will be supported in Athlon 64 FX family. In addition, Athlon 64 FX-64 has been cancelled in the latest roadmap and the last order date of Athlon 64 FX-60 and Athlon 64 FX-62 are both in 31/12/2006.

As the 4x4 platform is high in production cost as well as not much in performance boost, the industry indicates that AMD Athlon 64 FX-2P is just a technology show off product rather that mass production product. It’s no point for a user to spend more while there is a cheaper solution for the same performance. This platform would appear to the OEM like Dell and HP only.

The roadmap tells that the hybrid Quad-core processors from AMD would appear in late 2007 or early 2008. It’s codenamed Greyhound which based on the upcoming K8L architecture. It will support DDR2/3, with shared L2 cache and packaged in AM3 interface. Although it’s a year late then Intel, the industry said AMD would not suffered a lot as quad-core they expects the growth on market is slow.

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Svaki novi info o K8L arhitekturi se netom siri brzinom svetlosti, tako da si svakako zakasnio! 🙂
 
T65+MCP65, a killer chipset for AMD

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4086

Looking at the discrete roadmap for AMD, there is a T65+MCP65 chipset slated for mass production in November which seems to be quite a killer. It is meant to replace the current nForce 590 SLI (C51XE+MCP55XE) in the Enthusiast segment. T65+MCP65 features 2 x16 SLI sporting a total of 52 PCIe lanes with 8 links. Interestingly, it also supports the upcoming HyperTransport 3.0 technology. Other features include 4x SATA 3Gb, dual Gigabit Ethernet with FirstPacket technology, 10 USB 2.0 ports, HD-Audio. Clearly, T65+MCP65 board is going to pair up nicely with G80 this November. MCP65 will find itself occupying the mainstream and value segment, replacing nForce 570 Ultra (MCP55 Ultra) and nForce 4 (CK804) slated for mass production this month. MCP65 features x8/x8 SLI, 20 PCIe lanes w/ 4 links, 4x SATA 3Gb, Gigabit Ethernet, HT 1.0, 10 USB and HD Audio.

:eyebrows:
 
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Evo i sličica prvih wafera:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34742
Kad bi bar bile veće i preciznije 😉
ma bah. Ovo je samo odgovor na sve one baljezgarije koje je Intel ispricao na IDF-u. Kad kazem baljezgarije mislim na cinjenicu da iako se pricalo o sjajnim tehnologijama, oni su se zapravo izrazavali u debelom futuru.

Ista stvar je i ovaj wafer. Zaista ne vidim poentu kad svi znamo da pre prleca nema nista od K8L-a?! Mislim... lupam, vidim poentu! Poenta je da se necim odgovori na shamar da je Intel do sada proizveo 5 miliona Conroe/Merom/Woodcrest procesora i da se shepuri okolo sa kvazi-kvad-core procesorom (slozicete se da je ovo "kvazi" na mestu posto se radi o MCM pakovanju za dva dual core chipa)!?
 
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Ovo me veseli, zadnji novi čip, MCP61, na kojem je integrirano sve živo (ukljućujući grafiku) je rađen u 90nm i malo se grije. Konačno da bi mogli vidjeti nf čipset sa "normalnim" pasivnim hlađenjem.

EDIT: Najavljeni su i novi čipset čipovi za Intela. DFI je čak odustao od LP nf590 ploče za Intel neposredno prije nego se trebala pojaviti na tržištu, već su bile i neke recenzije upravo na vr-zoneu. U planu je ploča sa novim čipom.
 
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@ivanbo2003
Ovo me veseli, zadnji novi čip, MCP61, na kojem je integrirano sve živo (ukljućujući grafiku) je rađen u 90nm i malo se grije. Konačno da bi mogli vidjeti nf čipset sa "normalnim" pasivnim hlađenjem.

EDIT: Najavljeni su i novi čipset čipovi za Intela. DFI je čak odustao od LP nf590 ploče za Intel neposredno prije nego se trebala pojaviti na tržištu, već su bile i neke recenzije upravo na vr-zoneu. U planu je ploča sa novim čipom.
DFI je odustao od C19 verzije. Izbaci ce C55 baziranu plocu:

http://www.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=4087
 
Evo mene nije mrzelo, pa sam prebrojao 😀

Na 300mm waferu u 65nm ima ukupno 236 QuadCore K8L procesora!
 
Evo i sličica prvih wafera:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34742
Kad bi bar bile veće i preciznije 😉

Sasvim je dovoljna i ova velicina da bi se mogla proceniti velicina jezgra:
285mm^2 - http://chip-architect.com/news/Quad_vs_Dual2.jpg

E sad, kad se to jos malo sracuna dobije se da je proporcijalno Rev. H jezgro (bez dodatnog FPU-a, kesa, IMC-a...) dva puta vece od Rev. F. Kes memorija je proporcijalno slicna Rev. H vs Rev. F. Tesko da tolika razlika u jezgrima potice od navedenih unapredjenja (i bez druge polovine FPU-a je dva puta vece). Moguce uzrok je preliminarni layout (ima jos dosta vremena do Q2), ali moguce je i da su suoceni sa raznim problemima zbog kojih jezgro ne moze biti kompaktnije: nemogucnost izvlacenja dovoljno metalnih medjukonekcija ili C4 bump-ova za pakovanje, mozda neki yield, brzinski ili termalni problemi koji onemogucavaju kompaktniji layout.

Ovakav die size me cudi iz prostog razloga sto je najavljen i quad-core sa 6MB L3 na istom 65nm procesu. 4MB kesa zauzima oko 100mm^2 i nekako mi je tesko verovati da je AMD sposoban da proizvodi chip-ove od blizu 400mm^2, koliko bi zauzimao taj najavljeni 6MB L3 Quad. Da srede to oko layout-a, verzija sa 2MB L3 bi sisla na oko 200mm^2, a ova sa 6MB na 300mm^2 sto je nekako realnije za AMD-ov proces.

drfedja je napisao(la):
Covece koliki je to cip, pa taj nema ispod 400 m tranzistora, jos ako je ono 300mm vafer!
U svakom slucaju svaka im cast na brzini, nije proslo mesec dana od Tape-Out-a, a tu je vec prvi silikon.

Heh, nemoj ko Ameri silikon za implante 😀 Mi bar imamo pravu rec, pa ga mozemo zvati silicijum 😉
Sto se tice broja tranzistora, na 4MB L2 + L3 odlazi oko 250 miliona, a za ostalo (4 jezgra, IMC, HTT, DDR pad) je vec teze proceniti, ali moglo bi sve zajedno da izdje na 400-500 miliona.

Nedjo je napisao(la):
Evo mene nije mrzelo, pa sam prebrojao 😀

Na 300mm waferu u 65nm ima ukupno 236 QuadCore K8L procesora!

Morace tu da se potrude za dobre yieldove.
Evo malo zanimljivosti: Intelovi Conroe i Kentsfield yieldovi i cene raznih faza prozvodnje http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/78801
 
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Heh, nemoj ko Ameri silikon za implante 😀 Mi bar imamo pravu rec, pa ga mozemo zvati silicijum 😉
Sto se tice broja tranzistora, na 4MB L2 + L3 odlazi oko 250 miliona, a za ostalo (4 jezgra, IMC, HTT, DDR pad) je vec teze proceniti, ali moglo bi sve zajedno da izdje na 400-500 miliona.
Morace tu da se potrude za dobre yieldove.
Nisam rekao 'silikon za implante' :d Koliko znam AMD jos nije poceo da se bavi estetskom hirurgijom! 😀
Doticni procesor ce imati 4x512MB L2 i 2 MB L3 cache-a. Ako na svakih 512K L2 odlazi oko 38 miliona tranzistora, samo za L2 ide oko 150, za DDR2 pad oko 15, za L3 cache jos 150, i za cetiri unapredjena jezgra najmanje 170 miliona, sto izadje na nekih 485 miliona. Impresivno. Bas im treba dobar Yield za to.
K8L ce sigurno biti high-end procesor u 65nm i bice veoma skup.
Pitanje je da li ce za proizvodnju biti skuplji K8L ili dva Conroe-a! 🙂
 
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