Warhammer 40,000 : Dawn of War II

[TheBear]

Ja cu da zavrsim sa kupovinom danas, izgleda super igra.

 

[G!!!]

he kupilo se danas cepanje ceo dan i noc, dok se devojka ne vrati

 

[filipenko]

Meh, ovo je postalo party-diablo umesto RTS-a. Možda sam to već rekao, ali ova igra se od Day 1 kupovine originala svela na "možda je probam" u mom slučaju

 

[Alex]

Da, singeplayer upravo ostavlja takav osećaj.
Dakle veze sa prvim delom gotovo da i ne postoje što se singe player kampanje tiče i način njenog igranja. Nema gradjenja i treniranja squad-ova već je sve pododređeno taktici. U misiji vodite (bar je tako za sada) 4 squad leader svaki sa svojim specifičnostima koji se level-uju kroz igru.
U jednom trenutku sam se osetio kao da igram Brothers in Arms. Pomoću heavy boltera sam supress-ovao neprijatelja dok sam sa force commander-om polako prišao sa leđa i flank-ovo ih (masakrirao ). Neverovatan osećaj.
Igra stvarno odaje utisak više RPG-a nego RTS-a ali opet napominjem to je vezano samo za SP kampanju. U multiplayer-u stvari su mnogo drugačije i dosta više podsećaju na prvi deo.

 

[TheBear]

Jel po tebi zabavniji taj nacin igranja od onog klasicnog izgradi veliku vojsku i unisti neprijateljsku bazu ?

 

[filipenko]

Jel po tebi zabavniji taj nacin igranja od onog klasicnog izgradi veliku vojsku i unisti neprijateljsku bazu ?

Fora je što je Dawn of War doneo možda i najviše novina u koncept "izgradi vojsku i uništi bazu" u poslednjih par godina zahvaljujući svom sistemu resursa i kontrole ključnih tačaka na mapi, pa ga ne bih karakterisao klasičnim

No, dobro, ionako sam se u vezi sa potencijalnom kupovinom originala rukovodio time kakva bi igra mogla biti u multiju, videćemo...

 

[G!!!]

pa probaj sada u multiju dok josh moze

 

[TheBear]

Odlicna igra sad sam malo probao singleplay kampanju i grafika i sve je ekstra odradjeno.

 

[DieH@rd]

Sta mislite kako ce igra raditi na Athlon LE-1600 procesoru? [single core, 2.2ghz?] +radeon 4670

Da li da se mucim i da je skidam sa neta, ili da cekam dok se uzmem novi procesor...

 

[TheBear]

Ja mislim da ce raditi s tom kartom za proc. ne znam ali na nekim manjim setovanjima i rezoluciji ce raditi sigruno, ali nije uopste malo zahtevna, meni sa masinom iz popisa, navikao sam na Very High skoro sve da igram, ide oko 25-40FPS na Ultra settings u 1680x1050 znaci kad je mnogo jedinica na ekranu padne frejmrejt na oko 25 ali igrivo je a prelepo izgleda.

 

[Alex]

Neki prvi review-ovi igre i ne deluju obećavajuće. Lično mislim da je sve to stvar navikavanja i da će vremenom ljudi prihvatiti novi koncept (a možda i neće).
Evo šta kaže PC Gamer UK koji je igri dao sasvim solidnih 82%

"This is what happens when strategy game developers play too much WoW while they're working on the sequel"

"It's an enourmous campaign... but there arent 50 missions. In fact, there are only about ten, of 15 minutes each. It's just that two of those - kill the boss and defend the shrine - are repeated to the point of insanity. To the point where you start to wonder if you did something wrong in a previous life"

"MP is different. Suddenly bases are back. Suddenly resources are back. Suddenly the four unit limit is gone, the simplicity is gone. Weirdly, the only two modes of play are one on one and three on three. About the only simple thing about it is that there are only five maps"

"No single part of this is better than the original game. Relic started with a classic game and have made merely a great one out of it"

"It is, for your first few games, utter chaos.... And before you know what you're doing, it's over - matches only last about 15 minutes. Relic said they wanted to make MP DoW more accessible, I have no idea how this was supposed to relate to that"

"There's definately virtue to a multiplayer strategy game that's over in a coffee break, but it doesn't mix well with the enormous complexity here. Even when I'd learned to play effectively, I never felt like I had a good overview of what was going on.... The match can turn around in a minute without you knowing why. Neither victory nor defeat feels entirely yours"

PCG UK summary:

IT'S
-Fast
-Gorgeous
-Repetitive

IT'S NOT
-Short
-Epic
-Dawn of War

 

[filipenko]

***, to je to...

Istini za volju, ni u DoW1 nisu bile baš tako retke situacije gde bi neko izgubio bez puno kapiranja zbog čega je do toga došlo, odnosno gde je to partija prelomljena u korist protivnika. Ali kako vidim po rivjuovima i utiscima, ovde je to još pojačano.

 

[G!!!]

ja sve nesto mislim da je mp siromashan toliko featurima, (malo mapa, samo 1vs1 i 3vs3 i tome slichno) jer planiraju da ubrzo izbacuju novi sadrzaj koji ce moci da skidaju (bar u pocetku) samo oni sa originalima


sp je bezobrazno dosadan

 

[Alex]

Već su spremili patch i to pre izlaska igre sa mnogo izmena

Spojler

The following are the patch notes and version information for Dawn of War II...

(These notes are for the first retail patch for DOW II)

===========================
Patch 1.1.0
===========================


Audio

• Fixed a bug where Tyranid units were not "speaking."
• Missing button audio added to Player Stats screen under Game History.
• Added a countdown sound to the post-game stats screen.

Visuals/Graphics

• Fixed a bug that caused invisible Tyrannoformation.
• Fixed a bug where walker units would shuffle their feet quickly when moving.
• Fixed visual bugs with burrowed units.
• Fixed visual problems on ATI X1800 series cards.
• Eldar web gate ambient effects now show upon spawning of the unit.
• Fixed a bug where FX didn't display on Geforce 6800 cards.


PvP Gameplay

• Added two new maps to PvP automatch rotation.
• Fixed a bug where ability effects were permanent on burrowed units.
• Fixed several population capacity bugs.
• Fixed problem with retreating to allied HQ when player's HQ is destroyed.
• Fixed attack ground to allow firing into the Fog of War.
• Prevented Waaagh/Zeal/Biomass/Psychic might "double dipping" when own units are killed by friendly fire, and remove reward for allied friendly fire.
• Prevented non-attacking commanders from getting a share of XP for incomplete construction.
• Added cool down timers to construction abilities.
• Prevented anti-suppression from being modified into the positive.
• Prevented area of effect suppression originating from target entities inside of buildings from spreading to units outside a building.
• Fixed a bug where units that had been completely replaced via reinforcement would lose their control groups.
• Removed Ravener tunnel impass to prevent several blocking exploits.
• Resource rates are now reduced depending on game size.
• Requisition points now increase by +5 requisition every 20 seconds (up from 15), up to a maximum of +30 (down from 35).
• Fixed an issue with grenades not harming the squad that throws them.
• Increased the suppression and damage on suppression weapons at distant range.
• Fixed an issue with the Apothecary's Heal ability that prevented it from properly healing infantry.
• Reduced damage of Kommando hero's Remote Bomb against HQ's.
• Kommando hero's Kaboom! now properly deals 500 damage to the Kommando, but does not kill him.
• Tyranid Warrior Adrenal Gland melee damage reduced to 52, from 60.
• Reduced firing rate of Hive Tyrant Venom Cannon to match the other versions. Damage reduced to 60, from 85. Area of effect damage modifier reduced at outermost radius to 0.3, from 0.4.
• Spore Mine blast radius increased to 10, from 8.
• Increased accuracy of small arms against Ripper Swarm to 0.3, from 0.2.
• Ripper Swarm cost increased to 240, from 200.


In-game HUD and UI fixes

• Fixed a bug where world text on a building would change colour to Red when garrisoned by an enemy even though it was hidden by Fog of War.
• Fixed a bug where the UI failed to update with Squad Leader upgrade if a previously purchased leader died while the squad was selected.
• Fixed a bug where parts of tech tree panel remained visible after destroying your base, and would overlap unit UI.
• Fixed a bug where the build queue would hang around in an inactive state until if the base was destroyed during unit construction.
• Fixed a bug where the Commander Wargear panel would disappear after destroying the base, even though it's still valid to build wargear.
• Fixed a bug where targeting reticules would reveal if a building in the FoW was occupied.
• Added support for Relic and Games Workshop employee Gamertags. Watch for our custom chapters online!
• Fixed a bug where Eldar webway gates would appear as Ravener tunnels on the minimap when you were using Tyranids, and Ravener tunnels would appear as webway gates when you were using Eldar.
• Simultaneously pressing shift and squad hotkey now allows for adding to current selection.
• Fixed visual bugs with the global build buttons.
• Changed ork abilities that have a per entity cost to properly display their cost in the ui (based on the number of entities in the squad.)
• Fixed a bug with wargear button state switching.

Kicking Players

• Changed the kick-vote screen; removed the confirmation prompt, removed ability to abstain, added display of number of lag complaints.

AI Players

• Fixed AI Dreadnought combat vs buildings.
• CPU players now have a number associated with their names.
• The AI no longer considers unconscious hero a military target.

Ranking and Online Stats

• Fixed how Leaderboards are sorted.
• Fixed matchmaking. TrueSkill™ rank should properly be updated in TeamBattle games, and stats should be more reliable when being recorded.
• Fixed an issue where the leaderboard screen wasn't sorting data properly when using the friends filter.
• Fixed a problem where unit score doesn't reflect appropriately in the post-game score.

Custom Games

• Fixed an issue where games would not get cleared properly from the public games screen.
• Victory Point Control load screen tips will no longer show up if the Annihilate win condition is chosen.
• Fixed a bug where the Hero Select screen wasn't remembering the correct heroes when assigning players between multiple open slots.
• Rank point bar, level, and title are no longer displayed in the post game stats screen in unranked games.

Find a Game

• Added the ability to kick people from a party.
• Added countdown information to the hero selection screen.
• Fixed a bug where a player's visual MP rank unlocks were incorrectly displayed in the select hero screen.
• Fixed a bug where the rank in the party panel was always the Space Marines rank no matter what race was selected.
• Post Game advancement countdown no longer occurs unless the user is in a party.
• Matchmaking now has a preference for lower pings.
• Fixed a bug where it was possible for players with different data to end up matched together.

Localization

• Scaleform IME is now supported for Traditional Chinese.
• Fixed a bug where event updates were displayed in the host's language when viewing the events prior to the client joining the game session in the Event Log from the Battle Barge.
• Fixed a bug on Debriefing screen where French wasn't fitting in the available space.
• Polish Readme now displays in proper language.

Stability

• Fixed a rare multi-threading crash involving co-op synchronization.
• Fix for a crash that occured when you tried to cancel a base upgrade after the base had been destroyed.
• Many memory fragmentation improvements, which should alleviate a number of out of memory crashes.
• Fixed a bug where the game could crash after viewing a completed campaign, deleting it, and then backing out to the main menu.
• Settings that were invalid in the UI could still occur if set manually in configuration.lua, now the settings are validated in the same way as the options menu UI.
• Fixed a crash when client accepts Co-Op game invitation on Game List Screen.
• Fixed a bug where the game freezes on Main Menu when player signout from the Windows Live Profile on the confirmation message of Save and Exit to Window from the Battle Barge.
• Fixed a bug where the game crashed to desktop when a user clicked on Invite Friend after unplugging their LAN cable on delete a Campaign window.
• Fixed a crash that would occur when people ranked up to level 60.
• Fixed a multithreading crash in the UI on game exit.
• Reduced the frequency of checking Steam authentication - it was causing users who momentarily lost their connection to Steam to be ejected from a game in progress.
• Fixed a deadlock that could occur in low latency situations.

Achievements

• Fixed a bug where it was possible to grant achievements to players that hadn't rightfully earned them.


Campaign

• Added a "Squad Summary" screen to the mission debrief.
• Fixed a bug where the cursor disappeared after inviting a client to the game, and then declining the request once he accepts.
• Fixed a bug where the host loses his mouse after kicking a client during an NIS.
• Finishing the campaign no longer removes the save game from the final mission.
• Fixed an inverted badge on a piece of campaign wargear.
• Fixed a bug where global abilities replenished when the client dropped.

Army Painter

• Colours with high specular values will now have a more accurate swatch colour in the Army Painter.
• Fix issue with DLC badges being visible when they weren't supposed to be.

Replays

• Fixed a bug where replay speed would display incorrectly during game replays.
• Added a button on the replay widget to hide the UI.
• A message is now shown to notify the user that the replay has ended.
• Squad tabs in replays now show up when switching perspectives and always load the first two units when the replay starts.
• Upgrade button panel now doesn't show up in replays
• Hitting continue after exiting from a replay now takes you back to the Game History screen.
• Created units in replay now use the correct team colour badge that the player started with

Front End

• Added a News Tab to the title screen
• Updated the Post-game stats screen
• Fixed incorrect icon in Jump load screen tip.
• Made layout changes to Leaderboards screen
• Made layout changes to Game History screen

Miscellaneous

• Fix for mouse pointer getting stuck in the middle of the screen if you press the home key while simultaneously holding mouse left.
• Fixed a bug where multiple message boxes popped up when the host would disconnect.
• We now properly shut down the game when the OS switches users.
• Added functionality to allow changing the automatch map list without invalidating replays.
• Fixed a bug where the mouse cursor was frozen to centre of screen if user alt-tabbed at the victory/defeat screen in a ranked match, and didn't alt-tab back into the game until he'd been sent back to the front end.
• Added -noReverb commandline flag to disable convolution reverb.
• Added a "-disablepagefilecheck" command line switch so users can elect to try and run the game without a swap file.
• Added a "-disable32bitcheck" command line switch to allow 32bit users to run with Ultra textures.

Performance

• Fixed a bug where performance suffered when Steam community was disabed.
• Disabled v-sync by default to prevent performance problems on certain computers.

==============================
/ end of notes for Patch 1.1.0
==============================

 

[Dule13]

Игра је одлична . Кренем да играм на претпоследњој тежини и видим да дерем комп без муке, без тактике, без ајтема, специјалних напада и сл, само кликнем и они их одеру :S:. Е онда кренем поново са највећом тежином, кад оно све леже на место, игра добија смисао, орци бацају гранате право у групе, ако се упадне у заседу, ћао, и не може се победити без специјалних могућности.

CPU је ужасно глуп на свим осим најтежем сетовању, и зато вам је игра досадна.

Мапа ни не треба да буде хрпа, јер треба доста док се науче све предности и мане одеђене мапе. Ко год је играо COH потвдиће да у МП-у игра већином 5-6 набољих мапа.


Игра иде глатко скроз на максимуму детаља у 1680х1050 са сенкама на медиум.

 

[filipenko]

Najbolje da na 4850 i 2 GB pamćenja ne radi glatko...tačno bih im poslao virtualnu bombu na virtualni ofis...

 

[Dule13]

Najbolje da na 4850 i 2 GB pamćenja ne radi glatko...tačno bih im poslao virtualnu bombu na virtualni ofis...

Изгледа да су скапирали да мања захтевност има своје предности.

На Примарх тежини стварно свака јединица има своју намену, нпр. без скаута не може да се напредује без константног упадања у заседе. У првом делу су малтене били козметика.

 

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Toliko price, a niko da pomene kako je odradjena glasovna gluma? To je bio zastitni znak prvog dela. Ako to nije na odgovarajucem nivou necu ni da se trudim da nabavljam igru .

 

[Alex]

Toliko price, a niko da pomene kako je odradjena glasovna gluma? To je bio zastitni znak prvog dela. Ako to nije na odgovarajucem nivou necu ni da se trudim da nabavljam igru .

Taj segment igre je remek delo. Ima dosta više dijaloga nego u prvom kao i glavnih likova a sve je to propraćeno animiranim avatarima.

 

[Alex]

Игра иде глатко скроз на максимуму детаља у 1680х1050 са сенкама на медиум.

Jel sve na maksimum podrazumeva i da su Effects Fidelity, Effects Density, Texture Detail podеšeni na Ultra (pošto samo oni imaju Ultra setovanje) ?

 

[TheBear]

Ja sam stavio na Ultra detalje znaci sve sto moze na najvise, u 1680x1050 i imam oko 30FPS a padne i na 25 a ide i do 40 nije bas da nije zahtevna, Company of Heroes leti u odnosu na ovo, a ovo je mozda malo bolje graficki.

 

[Dule13]

Jel sve na maksimum podrazumeva i da su Effects Fidelity, Effects Density, Texture Detail podеšeni na Ultra (pošto samo oni imaju Ultra setovanje) ?

Да све све је на макимуму осим сенки и једна ставка има засивљен ултра (DX10?), и звук на 32 канала.

Мени ovo иде боље од COH-a 2x , *** есенс енџин иде далеко боље на атијевим картама него на видији, зато сам и прешао на ати

 

[Jovyland]

Да све све је на макимуму осим сенки и једна ставка има засивљен ултра (DX10?), и звук на 32 канала.

Мени ovo иде боље од COH-a 2x , *** есенс енџин иде далеко боље на атијевим картама него на видији, зато сам и прешао на ати

Bez sumnje, trenutno najbolji endzin za RTS igre.

 

[BruceLEE_22]

Jel ima neki dobar covek ovde na forumu da mi kaze gde mogu u BEOGRADU da kupim DOW 2,bio bih mu VECNO zahvalan???????????

 

[Gdin_M]

Bez sumnje, trenutno najbolji endzin za RTS igre.

A World in conflict i njegov engine?:trust:

 

[Solesoslav]

A LOTR-BFME2 engine(koji je korishcen u C&C3 i RA3)? Mozda dobiju u Game-s, a verovatno ce i uskoro da bude dostupna na Steam-u.

 

[G!!!]

taj engine je krsh

nego meni se ne svidja kartunolika dizajnerska reshenja kod orkova :|

vozila i tenkovi su smeh zivi, kao da je war3

glasovi su stvarno odlichni, dok zvuchni efekti ne mogu da prismrde cohu... meni je i dalje coh prijatniji i zanimljiviji za oko

 

[Dule13]

Coh је ко Холивудски филм, али зато тражи јак хардвер.

Попљували сте SP прерано, борба одолична, прича је одлична, сад то што нема 300 различитих мапа не утиче на атмосферу уопште. Заразио сам се тотално

 

[Vlasterx]

Ova igra više nema veze sa prvim DOW-om. Šteta velika. Sveli su ekstra glomazni RTS na taktičku strategiju sa par odreda. Bolje da su napravili FPS po uzoru na Brothers in Arms, jer je u suštini to ta igra.

Single play je šitina neviđena :-/

 

[G!!!]

Coh је ко Холивудски филм, али зато тражи јак хардвер.

Попљували сте SP прерано, борба одолична, прича је одлична, сад то што нема 300 различитих мапа не утиче на атмосферу уопште. Заразио сам се тотално

kako bre jak hardver, 2 ghz 2 gb ram, i neka 9600 teraju sve u fulu to je prosek