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ScienceFiction @ Benchmark!

Obrati pazhnju: 'na premijernom prikazivanju'. Singular event. Posle koga je Kubrick promptno skratio film za 19-tak minuta i dodao title cards...

Bolje da sam rekao pocetnom bioskopskom run-u, one verzije filma koja je za "narod". Uostalom, imas gomilu intervjua, pa mozes da pogledas/poslusas. Opste je poznata cinjenica da je film polarizovao publiku i kritiku po svom izlasku i kao takav nije jednoglasno na "zapadu" proglasen remek delom.

Postoji fundamentalna razlika izmedju predstave ancient aliens-a u Odiseji (gde rech bog figurira samo u smislu da tamo ancient aliens-i imaju neke atribute koje inache pripisujemo abrahamskom Bogu, ali takodje eksplicitno prikazuje evoluciju per se) od onog sto imamo u Prometheusu, gde se koncept kreacionizma i IDa nasilno gura u sf setting u propagandne svrhe, nauka i naucnici se omalovazhavaju (najveci deo propagande je usmeren protiv teorije evolucije, biologije i geologije) (a cela pricha je toliko zaglupljena da ne vidim kako chak i osoba prosechne inteligencije, jednom kad stavi senzory overload po strani i razmisli o serviranom, ne mozhe biti uvredjena istim)...

Upravo o tome pricam i kapiramo se... i onda dolazimo da onog dela kada opet pocinjes da smaras o nekoj propagandi i omalovazavanju naucnika ili kako ti vec vidis/znas agendu iza filma (koju cak i nazalost ta publika koja treba da bude na udaru ne vidi cak ni subliminalno). Mozda nekad dublje o ovoj temi/temama prodiskutujemo, ali sada zbog tvojih stavova kao i toka cele teme nema smisla...


Instiktivna reakcija zashtite lica... ne vidim nishta chudno u tome.

Ali skrecesh s onog sto je poenta. Chinjenica je da nisi primetio pomenuto dizanje ruka u vazduh. Ali slika je registrovana na nesvesnom nivou. To je osnova na kome funkionishu subliminalne poruke, propaganda i brainwashing...

A ovde nije instinktivno ili kako bi se to vec reklo prepustaju se situaciji ili sigurnoj smrti, tj. mogu da rade/dizu sta hoce? Da su recimo kojim slucajem digli noge u vis u vis onda bi se pojavili oni koji bi nas ubedjivali u gej propagandu i kompletnu agendu tog gej lobija koji stoji iza filma... :D Nema vise svrhe za dalju diskusiju. :)

@SOCOM

Previse ljudi je neupuceno sta je to "religija" i kakva ona prozimanja kroz drustvo i na njegovu oblikovanje ima od pocetka. Dakle, da ne smaramo u ovoj temi o tome posto je to kompleksan predmet diskusije. Za to u vezi naziva, moze se bolje reci da je to simbolika radi lakseg umetnickog izraza, dakle prikazati/dati ososbinu/naziv nekom predmetu radi njegovog lakseg prepoznavanja na osnovu uglavnom opste prihvacenih osobina tog predmeta. Nema tu nikakve religijske agende sem ako ti sam svesno ne zelis da verujes u to kao religiju ili tvrdis da je to agenda. Sve je stvar interpretacije i sposobnosti da nesto protumacis/razumes u tom izrazu.

@exste

Donekle se u vezi interpretacije slazem sa tim sta govoris, ali treba i pazljivije da procitas diskusiju i da vidis o cemu se u njoj radi, tj. ko odvlaci i u kom smeru... no nebitno, nadam se da necemo dalje. :)
 
Zaboravljate na jednu cinjenicu da je ovo samo film a ne objasnjnje postojanja i da je pretenzija rezisera bila da napravi film a ne da objasni kako je postao covek.
Upravo je to problem s ovim 'filmom', sto on to nije zaista, vec je dugometrazna propaganda sa nesto kupusa od radnje a vizuelno veoma impresivan.

...takva objasnjenja NE POSTOJE!
Objasnjenja postoje, samo ljudi ne zhele da ih chuju i razumeju.
I zato je ova nasha 'civilizacija' takva kakva jeste.


nadam se da necemo dalje
OK. Do Prometheusa DC. :trust::d
 
Šta mislite o seriji Destination Truth

šteta što kod nas nije prevedena
 
Destination truth, to bese onaj smetenjak sto ima neoborive dokaze da je nesto susnulo u sumi ?
Gledao sam par epizoda i nikad nista nisu nasli.


Poceo sam da gledam continuum, opasno inspirisano reklamokratijom (http://www.scribd.com/doc/38880992/REKLAMOKRATIJA)
I nikako mi iz glave ne izbija OCP i reklame iz robokapa ...
 
Ti mozhes da posmatrash SF samo kao zabavu. Postoji jedan inherentan problem u tom pristupu: filmovi (kao i serije i knjige i drugi mediji) nisu samo zabava, vec uvek ima vishe ili manje nekog product placement-a u njima (npr, MGM je obelodanio da je Skyfall na product placementu ukasirao £28m). Ergo, ako gledash neki film sa mozgom 'pustenim na pashu' tj sa iskljucenim kritickim delovima mozga, otvarash se za raznorazne sugestije prisutne u nekom filmu.

Ako zelish neki film koji ima vishe nivoa bolje da razumesh, gornji pristup ne funkcionishe. Ne samo da film mora da se gleda maksimalno ukljucen, nego cesto neke stvari moraju i dublje da se analiziraju, putem citanja kritika, eseja o autoru, referencama itd

Ovo smrdi na pretencioznost i bolest modernih demokratskih društava zvanu hipsterizam.

Ovo je jedan od najboljih tekstova koji ćeš da pročitaš o filmu:
http://www.paulrossen.com/paulinekael/trashartandthemovies.html

Obrati pažnju na ove delove:

If we go back and think over the movies we’ve enjoyed—even the ones we knew were terrible movies while we enjoyed them—what we enjoyed in them, the little part that was good, had, in some rudimentary way, some freshness, some hint of style, some trace of beauty, some audacity, some craziness. It’s there in the interplay between Burt Lancaster and Ossie Davis, or, in “Wild in the Streets,” in Diane Varsi rattling her tambourine, in Hal Holbrook’s faint twitch when he smells trouble, in a few of Robert Thom’s lines; and they have some relation to art though they don’t look like what we’ve been taught is “quality.” They have the joy of playfulness. In a mediocre or rotten movie, the good things may give the impression that they come out of nowhere; the better the movie, the more they seem to belong to the world of the movie. Without this kind of playfulness and the pleasure we take from it, art isn’t art at all, it’s something punishing, as it so often is in school where even artists’ little jokes become leaden from explanation.

We generally become interested in movies because we enjoy them and what we enjoy them for has little to do with what we think of as art. The movies we respond to, even in childhood, don’t have the same values as the official culture supported at school and in the middle-class home. At the movies we get low life and high life, while David Susskind and the moralistic reviewers chastise us for not patronizing what they think we should, “realistic” movies that would be good for us—like “A Raisin in the Sun,” where we could learn the lesson that a Negro family can be as dreary as a white family. Movie audiences will take a lot of garbage, but it’s pretty hard to make us queue up for pedagogy. At the movies we want a different kind of truth, something that surprises us and registers with us as funny or accurate or maybe amazing, maybe even amazingly beautiful. We get little things even in mediocre and terrible movies—José Ferrer sipping his booze through a straw in “Enter Laughing,” Scott Wilson’s hard scary all-American-boy-you-can’t-reach face cutting through the pretensions of “In Cold Blood” with all its fancy bleak cinematography. We got, and still have embedded in memory, Tony Randall’s surprising depth of feeling in “The Seven Faces of Dr. Lao,” Keenan Wynn and Moyna Macgill in the lunch-counter sequence of “The Clock,” John W. Bubbles on the dance floor in “Cabin in the Sky,” the inflection Gene Kelly gave to the line, “I’m a rising young man” in “DuBarry Was a Lady,” Tony Curtis saying “avidly” in “Sweet Smell of Success.” Though the director may have been responsible for releasing it, it’s the human material we react to most and remember longest. The art of the performers stays fresh for us, their beauty as beautiful as ever. There are so many kinds of things we get—the hangover sequence wittily designed for the CinemaScope screen in “The Tender Trap,” the atmosphere of the newspaper offices in “The Luck of Ginger Coffey,” the automat gone mad in “Easy Living.” Do we need to lie and shift things to false terms—like those who have to say Sophia Loren is a great actress as if her acting had made her a star? Wouldn’t we rather watch her than better actresses because she’s so incredibly charming and because she’s probably the greatest model the world has ever known? There are great moments—Angela Lansbury singing “Little Yellow Bird” in “Dorian Gray.” (I don’t think I’ve ever had a friend who didn’t also treasure that girl and that song.) And there are absurdly right little moments—in “Saratoga Trunk” when Curt Bois says to Ingrid Bergman, “You’re very beautiful,” and she says, “Yes, isn’t it lucky?” And those things have closer relationships to art than what the schoolteachers told us was true and beautiful. Not that the works we studied in school weren’t often great (as we discovered later) but that what the teachers told us to admire them for (and if current texts are any indication, are still telling students to admire them for) was generally so false and prettified and moralistic that what might have been moments of pleasure in them, and what might have been cleansing in them, and subversive, too, had been coated over.

Because of the photographic nature of the medium and the cheap admission prices, movies took their impetus not from the desiccated imitation European high culture, but from the peep show, the Wild West show, the music hall, the comic strip—from what was coarse and common. The early Chaplin two-reelers still look surprisingly lewd, with bathroom jokes and drunkenness and hatred of work and proprieties. And the Western shoot-’em-ups certainly weren’t the schoolteachers’ notions of art—which in my school days, ran more to didactic poetry and “perfectly proportioned” statues and which over the years have progressed through nice stories to “good taste” and “excellence”—which may be more poisonous than homilies and dainty figurines because then you had a clearer idea of what you were up against and it was easier to fight. And this, of course, is what we were running away from when we went to the movies. All week we longed for Saturday afternoon and sanctuary—the anonymity and impersonality of sitting in a theatre, just enjoying ourselves, not having to be responsible, not having to be “good.” Maybe you just want to look at people on the screen and know they’re not looking back at you, that they’re not going to turn on you and criticize you.

Perhaps the single most intense pleasure of moviegoing is this non-aesthetic one of escaping from the responsibilities of having the proper responses required of us in our official (school) culture. And yet this is probably the best and most common basis for developing an aesthetic sense because responsibility to pay attention and to appreciate is anti-art, it makes us too anxious for pleasure, too bored for response. Far from supervision and official culture, in the darkness at the movies where nothing is asked of us and we are left alone, the liberation from duty and constraint allows us to develop our own aesthetic responses. Unsupervised enjoyment is probably not the only kind there is but it may feel like the only kind. Irresponsibility is part of the pleasure of all art; it is the part the schools cannot recognize. I don’t like to buy “hard tickets” for a “road show” movie because I hate treating a movie as an occasion. I don’t want to be pinned down days in advance; I enjoy the casualness of moviegoing—of going in when I feel like it, when I’m in the mood for a movie. It’s the feeling of freedom from respectability we have always enjoyed at the movies that is carried to an extreme by American International Pictures and the Clint Eastwood Italian Westerns; they are stripped of cultural values. We may want more from movies than this negative virtue but we know the feeling from childhood moviegoing when we loved the gamblers and pimps and the cons’ suggestions of muttered obscenities as the guards walked by. The appeal of movies was in the details of crime and high living and wicked cities and in the language of toughs and urchins; it was in the dirty smile of the city girl who lured the hero away from Janet Gaynor. What draws us to movies in the first place, the opening into other, forbidden or surprising, kinds of experience, and the vitality and corruption and irreverence of that experience are so direct and immediate and have so little connection with what we have been taught is art that many people feel more secure, feel that their tastes are becoming more cultivated when they begin to appreciate foreign films. One foundation executive told me that he was quite upset that his teen-agers had chosen to go to “Bonnie and Clyde” rather than with him to “Closely Watched Trains.” He took it as a sign of lack of maturity. I think his kids made an honest choice, and not only because “Bonnie and Clyde” is the better movie, but because it is closer to us, it has some of the qualities of direct involvement that make us care about movies. But it’s understandable that it’s easier for us, as Americans, to see art in foreign films than in our own, because of how we, as Americans, think of art. Art is still what teachers and ladies and foundations believe in, it’s civilized and refined, cultivated and serious, cultural, beautiful, European, Oriental: it’s what America isn’t, and it’s especially what American movies are not. Still, if those kids had chosen “Wild in the Streets” over “Closely Watched Trains” I would think that was a sound and honest choice, too, even though “Wild in the Streets” is in most ways a terrible picture. It connects with their lives in an immediate even if a grossly frivolous way, and if we don’t go to movies for excitement, if, even as children, we accept the cultural standards of refined adults, if we have so little drive that we accept “good taste,” then we will probably never really begin to care about movies at all. We will become like those people who “may go to American movies sometimes to relax” but when they want “a little more” from a movie, are delighted by how colorful and artistic Franco Zeffirelli’s “The Taming of the Shrew” is, just as a couple of decades ago they were impressed by “The Red Shoes,” made by Powell and Pressburger, the Zeffirellis of their day. Or, if they like the cozy feeling of uplift to be had from mildly whimsical movies about timid people, there’s generally a “Hot Millions” or something musty and faintly boring from Eastern Europe—one of those movies set in World War II but so remote from our ways of thinking that it seems to be set in World War I. Afterward, the moviegoer can feel as decent and virtuous as if he’d spent an evening visiting a deaf old friend of the family. It’s a way of taking movies back into the approved culture of the schoolroom—into gentility—and the voices of schoolteachers and reviewers rise up to ask why America can’t make such movies.


http://insomnia.ac/essays/in_favor_of_criticism/

Gay Science je napisao(la):
Now something that you formerly loved as a truth or probability strikes you as an error: you shed it and fancy that this represents a victory for your reason. But perhaps this error was as necessary for you then, when you were still a different person — you are always a different person —, as are all your present "truths", being a skin, as it were, that concealed and covered a great deal that you were not permitted to see. What killed that opinion for you was your new life and not your reason: you no longer need it, and now it collapses and unreason crawls out of it into the light like a worm. When we criticize something, this is no arbitrary and impersonal event, — it is, at least very often, evidence of vital energies in us that are growing and shedding a skin. We negate and must negate because something in us wants to live and affirm, something that we perhaps do not know or see as yet! — This is said in favor of criticism.

http://insomnia.ac/commentary/videogame_culture_preface/
It all comes down — to make a long story short, and to anticipate our conclusion, which is not fully elaborated in these essays, and with good reason (since it lies beyond the domain of game theory, cutting across all disciplines, to finally end up as the ultimate question of philosophy proper) — to the debacle of meaning. Now meaning is never, as popular superstition has it, something that one discovers inside things, but something that one imbues them with, something that one creates — meaning is will to power. To look for meaning therefore, to go off into the bushes in search for it, whether in the manner of the so-called "existentialists", or our modern little artfags and pseudo-academics (which is merely that of uneducated existentialists—), is far from the dignified intellectual pursuit that these people would like to make it appear to be, but symptomatic of quite a different, and far less dignified, condition: that one no longer knows how to create it. "Whoever is incapable of laying his will into things", writes Nietzsche, "lacking will and strength, at least lays some meaning into them, i.e., the faith that there is a will in them already." To conceive then of meaning as something that already exists, as opposed to something to be created (in other words, as something supposed to come from without, as opposed to from within), is simply to submit to someone else's idea of meaning. The question, therefore, should never be "What is the meaning of that thing?", but always "What does that thing mean to me?"; the former is merely part of an elaborate little ritual meant to pass off submission as discovery (which explains why all interpretation aimed at discovering the "intended meaning" of a thing is of its nature comical). Let the slaves then torture themselves over "the meaning" of this or that artwork, or of art generally, or ultimately even of "life" — such "torture" is always anyway yet another act, yet one more ploy meant to create and project the appearance of intellectualism, for it is plain that none of these people feel intellectual problems deeply enough! (their staunch refusal to educate themselves, if nothing else, proves it), hence are not capable of being tortured by them!
 
Poslednja izmena:
Jel moze neko da mi posalje privatnu kad se na ovoj temi zavrsi diskusija o Prtokletom Prometeusu .. ? :)
 
The Star, by Moebius

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Jean Giraud-Mœbius(1938-2012)

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Poslednja izmena:
vredi - cudna serija. uzasna prva sezona. da te odbije od gledanja. Ali onda se polaaaako podigne kvalitet, a glavni glumac krene da sabija nevidjene fore, i negde pred kraj trece sezone zavolis seriju.
 
Jbmti, ništa nisam shvatio iz trejlera al mora da je nešto ekstra. A ona radnja neće moci da stane bez 5sati filma.
 
isto mi palo napamet .. kolko sam ja skapirao - nekoliko dusa se provlaci kroz tela ljudi u 4 epohe, neko pocinje da se seca prethodnih zivota, a bogme izgleda da ce i ovi iz rikverca da se sete buducnosti, jer je vreme samo iluzija i te fore ... nekako mi deluje nakindjureno.
 
Ovo mu dodje nesto kao The Tree of Life, Fountain,...
 
TOL nikakve slicnosti sa ovim nema, Fountain mozda ali tesko, pre bih rekao da je najslicnije sa Mr. Nobody, koji je btw. vec ispao fenomenalan film.
 
Curiosity slece na Mars 05.08.2012. 10:31 P.M. PDT

Live prenos
 
Greg Egan - Incandescence

Intelektualni tour de force.
Knjiga postavlja motku tako visoko da ce malo drugih knjiga da se kvalifikuju.

requires an understanding of Newtonian gravitation and at least a basic familiarity with general relativity and its application to black holes and neutron stars to be compelling

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Hm..

Ko nije citao mogu da preporucim sledece knjige :

Strvinarska Uteha - Simons
Smrt Megalopolisa - ne secam se
Andjeo sa zapadnog prozora - Majrink

Ne mogu sad da se setim vise, iako mi je par knjiga na umu...
 
'First' image from Curiosity:
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:d
 
To je Spirit. Ali vidis poslali su mu drugara, a sad ce njegov blizanac Opportunity i Curiosity da ga restartuju. :p

ali svakako je to dobar strip
 
Citiraću bricu iz Coming to America, ako ga je mama zvala Laurence i ja ću ga zvati Laurence.
 
Padoh sa stolice od glasa ove Lane:D Mogao se otvoriti za operaciju grla il šta već:D
 
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Redosled vozhnje za sff serije:

0813 Grimm (NBC)
08?? Dr. Who (BBC HD)

0917 Revolution (NBC)
0921 Haven (SyFy)
0926 The Neighbors (ABC)
0927 TBBT
0927 Last Resort (ABC)
0927 Person of Interest (CBS)
0928 Fringe S05 final (Fox)
0930 Once Upon a Time S02 (ABC)

1003 Supernatural (CW)
1010 Arrow (CW)
1011 The Vampire Diaries (CW)
1011 Beauty and the Beast (CW)
1014 The Walking Dead (AMC)
1026 Touch (Fox)

TBA

Misfits - E4/Hulu
American Horror Story: Asylum - FX
Red Dwarf - Dave HD (US TBA)
 
26-og je doktor :)
 
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