NVidia gts 250

[ikonoklast]

http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=Mzc5NTUsLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdCwsLDE=

Off the record rumblings from HardOCP's back offices cited NVIDIA once again taking aging hardware, renaming it, and trying to pass it off as something new...again. This GTS 250 will be a rebranded 9800 series card that was a rebranded 8800 series card. Likewise it was suggested that HardOCP would not even allow a review of any 9800 GTX+, so why the hell would it want to once again look at a card with performance that put it squarely into the November 2006 timeframe

Hahahahhaha, uter'o im Kyle.

 

[nex999]

Evo ga i GTS 240

8800GT/9800GT, ali u 55nm i novim PCB-om...

Boasting a new 55nm GPU, the new card is expected to provide users with a core speed of 675MHz. The Shaders and memory clock will be set at 1688MHz and 2200MHz, respectively, while the card itself is expected to provide users with 112 stream processors and 512MB of GDDR3 memory. The new card is essentially a 55nm-based, overclocked version of the 9800GT, which is featured with 112 stream processors and core speeds of 600MHz, 1500MHz and 1800MHz, for the GPU, Shaders and memory.

 

[nex999]

...iiii evo ga GTS 250:

There are some differences between the graphics cards themselves: the GeForce GTS 250 comes with shorter print circuit board, which also costs less to make, and with only one MIO connector that points to lack of support for 3-way multi-GPU configurations. The absence of triple-SLI technology support will hardly be missed by many. Some Nvidia GeForce GTS-based graphics cards will feature 512MB of memory, copying the GeForce GTS 512MB and GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+ (which are all based on essentially the same GPU), but more advanced versions will come with 1GB frame-buffer to offer better performance with antialiasing enabled.

In fact, Nvidia bets heavily on the low price of the GeForce GTS 250: the 512MB version should cost $129 and 1GB version is projected to be available at manufacturer suggested retail price of $149, considerably lower compared to price-points of the 9800 GTX+ models.

http://xbitlabs.com/news/video/disp..._approaching_geforce_gts_250_due_in_days.html

 

[Pike]

Nesto mi lici na stari i jos uvek dobri 8800 GTS 512MB :d

 

[Rapture]

Iskreno se nadam da ovo nece opet da izadje rebrendirano u 40nm.

 

[DAS]

Hmm,129$...Znaci u pitanju je 9800GTX+ koji bi trebao da kosta ~100 evra,sto je dobro.Aj bas da vidimo i to cudo,ali mislim da ce ipak kostati vise.

 

[mcrazy]

Jeste ako kupujes u Americi. Karta od 129$ nikada nece biti 100e kod nas.

 

[DAS]

Nisam ni mislio kod nas,nego u Jevropi
Ako je kartica ~130$ u Americi onda je ~100 evra u Evropi,takav je odnos otprilike bio do sad.

 

[mcrazy]

Ja ne znam gde si ti zivio do sada ali otprilike je 130$ blize 130e ima jedno 5 godina :d Pa trenutni kurs euro-dolar ti je 1.3 a cena za americko i evropsko trziste ne moze biti ista.
A i to u svabiji, u ostalim zemljama je skuplje. Srbija ima dosta dobre cene za vecinu hardware-a (ali sa zakasnjenjem).

 

[DAS]

Hm,bas si uporan,jel tako?
Evo ti moja kartica u Svabiji:

http://www.notebooksbilliger.de/grafikkarten_2816/ati/hd4870/gainward_512mb_4870_golden_sample_pcie

Ajd sad nadji u Americi bilo koji 4870 za 169$.

 

[mcrazy]

Ajde nemoj da budes smesan. Ne jedan nego 4 komada.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=4870&bop=And&Order=PRICE
Pored svega navedenog, valjda ti je jasno da pricam o globalnom nivou. Uvek ima primeraka koji se ne mogu svrstati pod neko pravilo.

 

[DAS]

Pa ne pricas o globalnom nivou kad si naveo newegg. Generalno odnos nije 1 za 1,uzmi u obzir i druge prodavnice i ostali hardver.

 

[pixell]

Već par godina unazad važi nepisano pravilo da ono što je u SAD izraženo u dolarima je isto toliko u Evropi ali u eurima. Znači 129$ tamo će verovatno biti 129€ ovde. Uostalom, 9800GTX+ treutno ima baš taj odnos i dovoljan je pokazatelj.

 

[M_M]

Bespotrebno se svađate, biće koliko bude... Jasno da su za većinu računarske robe cene preko bare niže nego u Evropi, a u Evropi niže nego kod nas, slobodno pogledajte laptopove, napajanja, procesore, itd, a a ne spominjem DSLR-ove, automobile itd.

Izuzeci postoje i javljaju se s vremena na vreme... na primer postoji pomenuti 4870 za 169e u Evropi, al' sa druge strane 'ajd nađite GTX260 u Evropi za 199e, jer se preko može lako naći za $199 pa i niže od toga sa rabatom?

Kod nas cene jedino nisu loše za računarske komponente koje se prodaju u većim količinama, dakle jeftine ploče, jeftini procesori, manji diskovi, itd... Bilo kakva egzotika, a tu spada i 9800GTX+ i spadaće i GTX250, biće sigurno primetno skuplja (u %) nego napolju.

Dakle bespotrebna i više puta apsolvirana diskusija, lepo obrađena nedavno od strane samog Benchmark-a ovde (doduše autor je zaboravio da pomene da je preko bare manji i porez pa je i to jedan od razloga nižih cena tamo):

http://www.benchit.rs/BenchIT-editorijal/Komentar/Domace-IT-trziste-I-istine-i-zablude.html

 

[mcrazy]

Pa ne pricas o globalnom nivou kad si naveo newegg. Generalno odnos nije 1 za 1,uzmi u obzir i druge prodavnice i ostali hardver.

Jah. A ti si naveo skoro najjeftiniji 4870 u svabiji. Odlican primer. I zasto gledati bilo sta drugo osim newegg-a kada gotovo cela amerika moze tamo da kupuje. Ali eto ako ne verujes meni, tu su i drugi ljudi da potvrde.
Samo cu ti ponoviti da je trenutni kurs toliko, tj 130$ je 100e, a iste cene za USA i EU - nikada.

 

[Preacher]

Jah. A ti si naveo skoro najjeftiniji 4870 u svabiji. Odlican primer. I zasto gledati bilo sta drugo osim newegg-a kada gotovo cela amerika moze tamo da kupuje. Ali eto ako ne verujes meni, tu su i drugi ljudi da potvrde.
Samo cu ti ponoviti da je trenutni kurs toliko, tj 130$ je 100e, a iste cene za USA i EU - nikada.

Sa tvog newegg linka samo prve tri kartice su na nivou 169$ a ostale su 195+$.
Od te tri prva je referentna ostale dve nisu referentne ali nisu ni priblizno na nivou Gainward Golden Semple koju je on naveo sa cenom u nemackoj.
NPR SAPPHIRE 100243TXSR Radeon HD 4870 Toxic Edition koja je na nivou Gainward GS je 230$.
Vidis, ti si svojim linkom ustvari dokazao da je DAS u pravu.

 

[DAS]

@mcrazy: Pazi,nisam ja nigde rekao da je odnos takav da uzmes cenu u dolarima u Americi,pretvoris je u evre prema kursu i dobijes cenu u evrima u Evropi. Cena je i dalje niza u Americi kad se izracuna vrednost valuta.

A ako je tako kako kazes,zasto se onda za neki proizvod naglasava cena u dolarima/cena u evrima,kao ovde npr:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-4750-rv740-review-preview-test/1

99 USD / 89 EUR

Ili recimo cena PS3,na newegg-u je 400$,a u Nemackoj ima za ~330evra.

Ma dobro,necemo vise o ovome

 

[mcrazy]

Objasnio sam ti i ja, a i ostali. Uvek ima izuzetaka. Ti si rekao da ce karta zacenjena na 130$ biti 100e u Evropi, sto nikako nije tacno (a to je trenutni kurs, nisam rekao da tvrdis da samo pretvaras cene, nego je u ovom slucaju tako ispalo). Pogotovo ako pricamo o novim stvarima, jer je cak npr preporucena cena 4870 bila 299$ a na newegg-u se prodavala za 305$ minimum, pa nadalje. Nesto kasnije se i cene koriguju pa i u evropi pojeftine.
Spominjati PS3 u ovom slucaju i nije bas merodavno kada se zna kako je sony vise u 'gubitku' sa ovom konzolom.

@Preacher, molio bih te da ne pricas o necemu o cemu nemas pojma. Svi utisci na forumu su da je gainward golden sample izuzetno losa karta. Los oc potencijal i preglasan drugi ventilator je cine NAJJEFTINIJOM 4870 kartom u svabiji. Sa jako losom reputacijom dosla je revizija karte sa tisim ventilatorom i nizom cenom. Ne mozes je porediti sa toxic modelom. I otkud ti to da nisu ni priblizne karte kada powercolor verzija radi na 800mhz GPU. Cak je i bolja karta. On je trazio bilo koju kartu po toj ceni i nemoj da glumis advokata, verujem da DAS-u nije potreban.

 

[DAS]

Pa preporucena malorodajna cena za 4870 i GTX 260 kartice je i dalje 269$ ili 279 ako se ne varam.Cak je i tolika cena u nekim prodavnicama u Americi.OK,na Newegg-u je drugacija situacija.
OK,mozda sam malo preterao sa odnosom,moguce da i nisam pratio u poslednje vreme kad je dolar skocio,ali kad se uzme neki prosek svih prodavnica raznog hardvera u Americi i Evropi i dalje mislim da bi Nemacke cene u evrima bile nize(napominjem-mislim samo na cifru a ne na vrednost kad bi se cene dovele na jednu valutu).

A kakve veze sa ovim ima cinjenica sto Sony gubi prodajom SP3?

Necemo vise u off,i nemoj da mi vredjas karticu

 

[mcrazy]

Varas se
http://icrontic.com/news/radeon-hd-4870-price-drop
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/...ces_Pricing_of_ATI_Radeon_HD_4870_to_199.html
Prije nesto vise od mesec drug je uzimao 4870 u svabiji i najjeftinija je bila 200e. Kao sto rekoh treba da prodje nesto vremena pre nego se cene spuste ali opet bude nesto skupčje nego u USA.
Sto se tice PS3, ima veze jer im je u cilju da ponude sto nizu cenu da bi povecali prodaju
I Ameri se ravnaju po egg-u, zasto ne bi i mi :d
Slazem se, dosta off-a, a 129$ ce biti dosta dobra cena... To automatski znaci da ce 4850 ici na nekih 119$ ali na zalost nema nista novo vredno pomena. Cekamo GT300 i neki rv870/rv970.

 

[Preacher]

@Preacher, molio bih te da ne pricas o necemu o cemu nemas pojma. Svi utisci na forumu su da je gainward golden sample izuzetno losa karta. Los oc potencijal i preglasan drugi ventilator je cine NAJJEFTINIJOM 4870 kartom u svabiji. Sa jako losom reputacijom dosla je revizija karte sa tisim ventilatorom i nizom cenom. Ne mozes je porediti sa toxic modelom. I otkud ti to da nisu ni priblizne karte kada powercolor verzija radi na 800mhz GPU. Cak je i bolja karta. On je trazio bilo koju kartu po toj ceni i nemoj da glumis advokata, verujem da DAS-u nije potreban.

Zamolio bih te da obratis paznju na ton kojim se obracas ostalim clanovima foruma.
GGS je daleko od lose karte koja je imala jedino problem glasnog drugog ventilatora koji je, kako i sam kazes, resen revizijom. PowerColor radi na vecem taktu ali nije bolja karta (uverziji bez oznake PPH) jer ima losije hladjenje.
Ajd jos jednom na cene.
http://www.notebooksbilliger.de/index.php/grafikkarten_2816/ati/hd4870
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=4870&bop=And&Order=PRICE
Samo da uporedimo:
Sapphire 512MB 4870 Lite Retail
usa: 170$ ger: 170 €
Sapphire 512MB 4870 Toxic
usa: 230$ ger: 199€
PowerColor 512MB 4870 PCS
usa: 195$ ger: 183€
HIS 1024MB 4870 (blue orb)
usa: 250$ ger: 185€
PowerColor 1024MB 4870 PCS
usa: 250$ ger: 198€
Asus 512MB 4870/TOP/HTDI/Dark Knight
usa: 260$ ger: 227€
itd...
Sta ovde nije jasno?
Misli sta hoces, sa moje strane dosta off-a. :wave:

 

[garson]

@Preacher
Obrati paznju da su te karte na neweggu na trenutnom popustu od 30$.

Ozbiljno, dosta vise o cenama. Vratite se na GTS 250.

 

[BigJoe]

^
Pa s obzirom koliko je GTS 250 zapravo stara karta ne znam sta bi vise moglo novo da se kaze

 

[garson]

^
Pa s obzirom koliko je GTS 250 zapravo stara karta ne znam sta bi vise moglo novo da se kaze

Da zakljucam temu onda?:d

 

[DAS]

Cekaj prvo da izadje,trebalo bi sutra,prekosutra :d

 

[Ace Rimmer]

GTS250 marketing plan:
http://vr-zone.com/forums/399334/nv...ting-plan--what-s-worse-than-rebranding-.html

 

[Typhoon.X]

Guru3D review za Palit GeForce GTS 250 2GB :

http://www.guru3d.com/article/palit-geforce-gts-250-2048mb-review-test/

 

[pixell]

Zadnje informacije o cenama i proizvodima za ovaj i sledeći mesec:

Rang_____nVidia______AMD

_99$____GTS240___HD4830/HD4750
119$______n/a_____HD4770
129$____GTS250___HD4850
149$______n/a_____HD4870 512MB
179$______n/a_____HD4870 1GB
199$______n/a_____HD4890 512MB
229$____GTX260_____n/a
249$______n/a_____HD4850x2 (2x512MB)
299$______n/a_____HD4890 1GB OC
349$____GTX285_____n/a
399$______n/a_____HD4870x2
449$____GTX295_____n/a

Grafike u crvenom izlaze do kraja ovog ili početkom sledećeg meseca. U plavom izlaze krajem sledećeg meseca. GTS250 je već krenuo ka prodavnicama dok za ostale još uvek nema potvrde.

 

[psyman]

Nvidia's GeForce GTS 250 graphics card

Conclusions
At this point in the review, Nvidia's marketing department would no doubt like for me to say a few words about some of its key points of emphasis of late, such as PhysX, CUDA, and GeForce 3D Vision. I will say a few words, but perhaps not the words that they might wish.

CUDA is Nvidia's umbrella term for accelerating non-graphics applications on the GPU, about which we've heard much lately. ATI Stream is AMD's term for the same thing, and although we've heard less about it, it is very similar in nature and capability, as are the underlying graphics chips. In both cases, the first consumer-level applications for are only beginning to arrive, and they're mostly video encoders that face some daunting file format limitations. Both efforts show some promise, but I expect that if they are to succeed, they must succeed together by running the same programs via a common programming interface. In other words, I wouldn't buy one brand of GPU over the other expecting big advantages in the realm of GPU-compute capability—especially with a GPU as old as the G92 in the mix.

One exception to this rule may be PhysX, which is wholly owned by Nvidia and supported in games like Mirror's Edge and... well, let me get back to you on that. I suspect PhysX might offer Nvidia something of an incremental visual or performance advantage in certain upcoming games, just as DirectX 10.1 might for AMD in certain others.

As for GeForce 3D Vision, the GeForce GTS 250 is purportedly compatible with it, but based on my experience, I would strongly recommend getting a much more powerful graphics card (or two) for use with this stereoscopic display scheme. The performance hit would easily swallow up all the GTS 250 has to give—and then some.

The cold reality here is that, for most intents and purposes, current GeForces and Radeons are more or less functionally equivalent, with very similar image quality and capability, in spite of their sheer complexity and rich feature sets. I would gladly trade any of Nvidia's so-called "graphics plus" features for a substantial edge in graphics image quality or performance. The GTS 250 comes perilously close to losing out on this front due to the Radeon HD 4850's superior performance with 8X multisampled antialiasing. The saving grace here is my affection for Nvidia's coverage sampled AA modes, which offer similar image quality and performance.

All of which leads us to the inevitable price and performance comparison, and here, the GeForce GTS 250 offers a reasonably compelling proposition. This card replicates the functionality of the GeForce 9800 GTX+ in a smaller physical size, with substantially less power draw, at a lower cost. I like the move to 1GB of RAM, if only for the sake of future-proofing and keeping the door open to an SLI upgrade that scales well. In the majority of our tests, the GeForce GTS 250 proved faster than the Radeon HD 4850 1GB, if only slightly so. If the Radeon HD 4850 1GB were to stay at current prices, the GTS 250 would be the clear value leader in this segment.

That's apparently not going to happen, though. At the eleventh hour before publication of this review, AMD informed us of its intention to drop prices on several Radeon HD 4800 series graphics cards that compete in this general price range, mostly through a series of mail-in rebates. Some examples: this MSI 4850 512MB card starts at $159.99 and drops to $124.99 net via a mail-in rebate, and more intriguingly, this PowerColor 4870 512MB lists for $169.99 and has a $15 rebate attached, taking it to net price parity with the EVGA GTS 250 Superclocked card we tested. We hate mail-in rebates with a passion that burns eternal, but if these rebates were to last in perpetuity, the GeForce GTS 250 1GB at $149 nevertheless would be doomed.

For its part, Nvidia has indicated to us its resolve to be the price-performance leader in this portion of the market, so it may make an additional price move if necessary to defend its turf. Nvidia has limitations here that AMD doesn't face, though, mainly because it doesn't have the option of simply switching to GDDR5 memory to get twice the bandwidth. That is, after all, the only major difference between the Radeon HD 4850 and 4870. On the merits of its current GPU technology, AMD would seem to have the stronger hand.

What happens next is anybody's guess. Just so long as Nvidia doesn't rename this thing, I'll be happy. There are GPU bargains ahead. TR

The Tech Report test

 

[Bogda]

GTS250 marketing plan:
http://vr-zone.com/forums/399334/nv...ting-plan--what-s-worse-than-rebranding-.html

Po ko znam koji put ću reći: "nvidia ti si prva po šuntavilo!"
Nije im dovoljno što po ko zna koji put rebrandiraju suvu drenovinu. Sada su smislili još jednu jajarsku foru. Prvo na review šalju "fast" verziju kartice. Valjda misle da im toliko fali da bude brža od Radeta 4850. Review sajtovi će to u velikoj meri prećutati ili napomenuti onako usput.
Potom prodaju "slow" verzije kartice koju naravno niko neće testirati jer je interesantna koliko i poslednja restilizacija Yuga 55 ili Dačije.