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Ja to racunam i da jeste. Ako nesto bude previse da se plati, necu prihvatiti.Mozda je o trosku LC-aonaj fazon , Hvala sto koristite LC power :d
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Ja to racunam i da jeste. Ako nesto bude previse da se plati, necu prihvatiti.Mozda je o trosku LC-aonaj fazon , Hvala sto koristite LC power :d
Ako mislis na gaming, razlika koju dobijas u igrama sa 1.0ghz visim klokom i 980Ti OC karticom je u proseku oko 10 - 15% u zahtevnim cpu igrama. ( odradio neke testove , a postoje i testovi na net- u ). I, da bi se dobila takva razlika, potrebna je bas jaka grafa, tipa 980Ti OC , 1070 OC i dalje.
Sa slabijim grafama dobijali bi se i slabiji rezulati.
Videcemo, po nekoj intuiciji, trebalo bi da bude vrlo izjednaceno u igrama koje koriste 6c\12t jezgre,... VS.... I7 4c\8t sa dosta visim klokom. Koliko visim, pa, po mom misljenju , minimum oko 1.0ghz
Sad, mozda ce i IMC igrati ulogu i te FPU jedinice ili kesiranje, sve to utice na perfomanse u gamingu. Jedva cekam rezultate, bice vrlo zanimljivo, mozda i taj neki 6c\12t bude vrlo dobar procesor za gaming sa dobrom cenom.
Fail?!?
Ja mislim da je u pitanju velika kolicina FX-a, APU-a koju nisu prodali. Cekaju da se smanji njihov broj pa onda nastupa R5 i R3
Ja to racunam i da jeste. Ako nesto bude previse da se plati, necu prihvatiti.
Ово је послао 6п!
Samo se nadam da tih 4-4,2GHz nije cap, jer onda nema smisla...4.5 je must i sweet spot da pokrije sve aspekte od gaminga, preko simulacija i rendenovanja.
Jesi li nabavio ovo za Predator?
Ne mislim na gaming uopšte. Pisao sam na par pređašnjih strana šta mi treba. Što viši ST (sim) i dodatna jezgra (ne HT ili SMT) kad zatrebaju (cad render) što je jako retko. Za gaming furam isključivo AMD Jaguar u PS 4 ProPoneki AAA na pc-u i to je to... Taj 6/12 možda bole najbolji za over-all use na kraju.
Mislim da se odnosilo za 4GHz cap na 4/8 i 6/12 modelima...
I meni LC poslao dodatak za AM4
Za ozbiljne simulacije i analize ST ne znači mnogo, MT je mnogo bitniji. Ne znam koliko HT/SMT utiče, ali za te potrebe svako jezgo je plus. Ja sam radio u kancelariji sa 10 umreženih radnih stanica sa Opteronima, pri čemu je svako mogao da uzme "tuđe" resurse za složenije proračune. Mada kad ti trebaju svi, uglavnom pustiš da radi preko noći ili tokom vikenda.
Progami kao što su SolidWorks ili Inventor su dobri za povremene analize i njih ne treba uzimati kao reper za performase, za ozbiljne stvari se koristi i ozbiljniji softver i ozbljniji hardver (Xeona nikad dosta)
Sad razmišljam, kako je Ryzen zapravo namenjen Windows 10 hejterima. Instaliraš Win 10 zbog neophodnog softvera i Linux u VMWare plejeru kom ćeš dodeliti bar 8 logičkih jezgara (4c/8t) i odatle obavljaš svakodnevne poslova - mail, office, programiranje... a po potrebi pređeš na windozu da odigraš partiju BF1 :d
Sve je to lepo, ali džaba ako 7700 nasviraš na 5icu a ovog držiš na 4-4.2. Tu se prednost zena anulira kod ljudi kojima ne treba toliko jezgara, već klok. Zbog toga kažem, mora makar 4.5 da izvlači.
Koliko će moći r5 6jezgraši u 4jezgraši da idu? Nije valjda i tamo 4 cap?
Sa cime tacno poredis 7700k? Sa osmojezgarnim Zen-om? U koje svhre, namene? Tesko da ce 4/8 Intel moci da dostigne Zen na nekom clock-u od 4.2 Ghz-4.3 Ghz ukoliko je IPC slican kao kod Intel-a.
Eno u onoj temi kod mene su ti stvari jasne kako se to odrazava u igrama. Jedino sto je nepoznanica kakve rezultate Zen ima u igrama i zbog cega pa je sada bilo kakvo poredjenje nezahvalno.
Conclusion
One thing we want to make sure is very clear is that the majority of tasks (including creating/editing/rotating/viewing models) in Solidworks are single-threaded so there is no performance gain by having a higher core count CPU. The purpose of this article is not to examine those common tasks at all, but to look at the tasks that are often claimed to be multi-threaded. Overall, we can come to four conclusions:
1) Opening and saving files (both assembly and drawings) is multi-threaded, but is limited to the point that there is no actual benefit to having more than a single CPU core. Simply put, something else (whether it is hardware or software) is the bottleneck in our test system, not the CPU. Considering that the CPU we tested with only has an operating frequency of 3.1GHz and we are using a fast SSD storage drive, we can fairly confidently state that unless you have a very low-end CPU your processor is not going to be the limiting factor when it comes to opening and saving files.
2) Running simulations only sees a very moderate benefit to having more CPU cores, but there is a drop in performance with multiple physical CPUs. For a single CPU, we saw about a 70% multi core efficiency for FEA simulations and about a 75% multi core efficiency for flow simulations which is bad enough that a high frequency quad core CPU will match the performance of even the most expensive Xeon E5 CPU. In addition, for all three simulations we saw a significant drop in performance with multiple physical CPUs so a dual Xeon system will actually be slower than a system with a single CPU.
3) Mesh creation sees a small benefit to having more CPU cores, but is extremely limited. At worse we saw no benefit to having more than a single CPU core and at best we saw a 60% multi core efficiency for the first 8 cores. In two of the three tests we saw a point where more cores actually reduced performance, while the third simply showed no benefit to having more cores.
4) Rendering is extremely good at utilizing multiple CPU cores. Rendering is really the one place in Solidworks where a higher core count CPU (or multiple physical CPUs) would actually show a significant improvement in performance. For a single CPU, the efficiency is pretty much perfect with a ~100% multi core efficiency. The efficiency did drop when using multiple physical CPUs (down to about 95.5%), but that is somewhat to be expected given the overhead associated with multiple CPUs.
What all this means is that the choice of CPU for Solidworks is actually fairly easy:
Even for the multi-threaded portions of Solidworks (including simulations), we would recommend getting the latest generation, highest frequency quad core CPU you can. At the time of this article, this would be the Intel Core i7 6700K 4.0Ghz Quad Core.
U svakom slucaju svi dobijaju
Intel mozda vise trosi ali radi na manjem naponu. Bar mi je tako ostalo u secanju.Ih, to je 8/16 chip, na sta ce drugo preko 5ghz ako ne azot
Ne vidim da se ovi inteli klokuju na 5ghz sa tim brojem jezgra, a na stock imaju vecu potrosnju od Zena, kad bi se nasvirali ode to
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7700k rekorder je ubrzo potom dostigao 7ghz i na svim jezgrima [emoji14]Jel zapravo neko kupuje te proceve i klokuje ih toliko?
Dosta je ovo nizi napon od Zena. Nece niko Zen terati na 5ghz, ovo je radjeno ssmo da bi se reklo da MOZE NA 5GHZ!
Kao ono, 7700k dostigo 7ghz!!!(a zapravo ugasena 2 jezgra i hyper threading)
Ali to ne bi bio podjednako dobar naslov da pise Celeron dostigao 7ghz
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