www.microsoft.com - gde je Windows XP SP3 ?
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Nema na cemu.
Google "XP SP3 update download", treci link odozgo.
Google "XP SP3 update download", treci link odozgo.
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probaj ovo
http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/2008/06/24/full-text-an-epic-bill-gates-e-mail-rant/
"—- Original Message —-
From: Bill Gates
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:05 AM
To: Jim Allchin
Cc: Chris Jones (WINDOWS); Bharat Shah (NT); Joe Peterson; Will Poole; Brian Valentine; Anoop Gupta (RESEARCH)
Subject: Windows Usability Systematic degradation flame
I am quite disappointed at how Windows Usability has been going backwards and the program management groups don’t drive usability issues.
Let me give you my experience from yesterday.
I decided to download (Moviemaker) and buy the Digital Plus pack … so I went to Microsoft.com. They have a download place so I went there.
The first 5 times I used the site it timed out while trying to bring up the download page. Then after an 8 second delay I got it to come up.
This site is so slow it is unusable.
It wasn’t in the top 5 so I expanded the other 45.
These 45 names are totally confusing. These names make stuff like: Cocuments and SettingsbillgMy DocumentsMy Pictures seem clear.
They are not filtered by the system … and so many of the things are strange.
I tried scoping to Media stuff. Still no moviemaker. I typed in movie. Nothing. I typed in movie maker. Nothing.
So I gave up and sent mail to Amir saying – where is this Moviemaker download? Does it exist?
So they told me that using the download page to download something was not something they anticipated.
They told me to go to the main page search button and type movie maker (not moviemaker!).
I tried that. The site was pathetically slow but after 6 seconds of waiting up it came.
I thought for sure now I would see a button to just go do the download.
In fact it is more like a puzzle that you get to solve. It told me to go to Windows Update and do a bunch of incantations.
This struck me as completely odd. Why should I have to go somewhere else and do a scan to download moviemaker?
So I went to Windows update. Windows Update decides I need to download a bunch of controls. (Not) just once but multiple times where I get to see weird dialog boxes.
Doesn’t Windows update know some key to talk to Windows?
Then I did the scan. This took quite some time and I was told it was critical for me to download 17megs of stuff.
This is after I was told we were doing delta patches to things but instead just to get 6 things that are labeled in the SCARIEST possible way I had to download 17meg.
So I did the download. That part was fast. Then it wanted to do an install. This took 6 minutes and the machine was so slow I couldn’t use it for anything else during this time.
What the heck is going on during those 6 minutes? That is crazy. This is after the download was finished.
Then it told me to reboot my machine. Why should I do that? I reboot every night — why should I reboot at that time?
So I did the reboot because it INSISTED on it. Of course that meant completely getting rid of all my Outlook state.
So I got back up and running and went to Windows Update again. I forgot why I was in Windows Update at all since all I wanted was to get Moviemaker.
So I went back to Microsoft.com and looked at the instructions. I have to click on a folder called WindowsXP. Why should I do that? Windows Update knows I am on Windows XP.
What does it mean to have to click on that folder? So I get a bunch of confusing stuff but sure enough one of them is Moviemaker.
So I do the download. The download is fast but the Install takes many minutes. Amazing how slow this thing is.
At some point I get told I need to go get Windows Media Series 9 to download.
So I decide I will go do that. This time I get dialogs saying things like “Open” or “Save”. No guidance in the instructions which to do. I have no clue which to do.
The download is fast and the install takes 7 minutes for this thing.
So now I think I am going to have Moviemaker. I go to my add/remove programs place to make sure it is there.
It is not there.
What is there? The following garbage is there. Microsoft Autoupdate Exclusive test package, Microsoft Autoupdate Reboot test package, Microsoft Autoupdate testpackage1. Microsoft AUtoupdate testpackage2, Microsoft Autoupdate Test package3.
Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable? The file system is no longer usable. The registry is not usable. This program listing was one sane place but now it is all crapped up.
But that is just the start of the crap. Later I have listed things like Windows XP Hotfix see Q329048 for more information. What is Q329048? Why are these series of patches listed here? Some of the patches just things like Q810655 instead of saying see Q329048 for more information.
What an absolute mess.
Moviemaker is just not there at all.
So I give up on Moviemaker and decide to download the Digital Plus Package.
I get told I need to go enter a bunch of information about myself.
I enter it all in and because it decides I have mistyped something I have to try again. Of course it has cleared out most of what I typed.
I try (typing) the right stuff in 5 times and it just keeps clearing things out for me to type them in again.
So after more than an hour of craziness and making my programs list garbage and being scared and seeing that Microsoft.com is a terrible website I haven’t run Moviemaker and I haven’t got the plus package.
The lack of attention to usability represented by these experiences blows my mind. I thought we had reached a low with Windows Network places or the messages I get when I try to use 802.11. (don’t you just love that root certificate message?)
When I really get to use the stuff I am sure I will have more feedback.
When we were concluding our interview last week, I showed Gates a printout of the e-mail and asked if he ever got Movie Maker to work. Gates noted that Microsoft plans to include Movie Maker as part of Windows Live, so people will get the program when they download that online package. The company isn’t confirming that officially yet, but’s not a complete surprise. See this Wikipedia entry and this related post on LiveSide.net. (Site temporarily down as of Tuesday morning.)
As for the message, Gates smiled and said, “There’s not a day that I don’t send a piece of e-mail … like that piece of e-mail. That’s my job.”
Follow-up: No BS: A glimpse of the real Bill Gates
Update: Dave Ross of KIRO-AM/710 in Seattle did a dramatic reading of the message on air Wednesday morning. Click here to access the audio.
Update, Friday: During his farewell event at Microsoft this morning, Gates referred to this, and poked a little fun at us: “One of the newspapers had some e-mail that I sent about how maybe Windows could have been better at something, and they said, ‘This is a shocking e-mail. Shocking!’ And I said, ‘What do you think I do all day? Sending an e-mail like that, that is my job. That’s what it’s all about. We’re here to make things better.”
See more from that farewell event in this post."
http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/2008/06/24/full-text-an-epic-bill-gates-e-mail-rant/
"—- Original Message —-
From: Bill Gates
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:05 AM
To: Jim Allchin
Cc: Chris Jones (WINDOWS); Bharat Shah (NT); Joe Peterson; Will Poole; Brian Valentine; Anoop Gupta (RESEARCH)
Subject: Windows Usability Systematic degradation flame
I am quite disappointed at how Windows Usability has been going backwards and the program management groups don’t drive usability issues.
Let me give you my experience from yesterday.
I decided to download (Moviemaker) and buy the Digital Plus pack … so I went to Microsoft.com. They have a download place so I went there.
The first 5 times I used the site it timed out while trying to bring up the download page. Then after an 8 second delay I got it to come up.
This site is so slow it is unusable.
It wasn’t in the top 5 so I expanded the other 45.
These 45 names are totally confusing. These names make stuff like: C
ocuments and SettingsbillgMy DocumentsMy Pictures seem clear.They are not filtered by the system … and so many of the things are strange.
I tried scoping to Media stuff. Still no moviemaker. I typed in movie. Nothing. I typed in movie maker. Nothing.
So I gave up and sent mail to Amir saying – where is this Moviemaker download? Does it exist?
So they told me that using the download page to download something was not something they anticipated.
They told me to go to the main page search button and type movie maker (not moviemaker!).
I tried that. The site was pathetically slow but after 6 seconds of waiting up it came.
I thought for sure now I would see a button to just go do the download.
In fact it is more like a puzzle that you get to solve. It told me to go to Windows Update and do a bunch of incantations.
This struck me as completely odd. Why should I have to go somewhere else and do a scan to download moviemaker?
So I went to Windows update. Windows Update decides I need to download a bunch of controls. (Not) just once but multiple times where I get to see weird dialog boxes.
Doesn’t Windows update know some key to talk to Windows?
Then I did the scan. This took quite some time and I was told it was critical for me to download 17megs of stuff.
This is after I was told we were doing delta patches to things but instead just to get 6 things that are labeled in the SCARIEST possible way I had to download 17meg.
So I did the download. That part was fast. Then it wanted to do an install. This took 6 minutes and the machine was so slow I couldn’t use it for anything else during this time.
What the heck is going on during those 6 minutes? That is crazy. This is after the download was finished.
Then it told me to reboot my machine. Why should I do that? I reboot every night — why should I reboot at that time?
So I did the reboot because it INSISTED on it. Of course that meant completely getting rid of all my Outlook state.
So I got back up and running and went to Windows Update again. I forgot why I was in Windows Update at all since all I wanted was to get Moviemaker.
So I went back to Microsoft.com and looked at the instructions. I have to click on a folder called WindowsXP. Why should I do that? Windows Update knows I am on Windows XP.
What does it mean to have to click on that folder? So I get a bunch of confusing stuff but sure enough one of them is Moviemaker.
So I do the download. The download is fast but the Install takes many minutes. Amazing how slow this thing is.
At some point I get told I need to go get Windows Media Series 9 to download.
So I decide I will go do that. This time I get dialogs saying things like “Open” or “Save”. No guidance in the instructions which to do. I have no clue which to do.
The download is fast and the install takes 7 minutes for this thing.
So now I think I am going to have Moviemaker. I go to my add/remove programs place to make sure it is there.
It is not there.
What is there? The following garbage is there. Microsoft Autoupdate Exclusive test package, Microsoft Autoupdate Reboot test package, Microsoft Autoupdate testpackage1. Microsoft AUtoupdate testpackage2, Microsoft Autoupdate Test package3.
Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable? The file system is no longer usable. The registry is not usable. This program listing was one sane place but now it is all crapped up.
But that is just the start of the crap. Later I have listed things like Windows XP Hotfix see Q329048 for more information. What is Q329048? Why are these series of patches listed here? Some of the patches just things like Q810655 instead of saying see Q329048 for more information.
What an absolute mess.
Moviemaker is just not there at all.
So I give up on Moviemaker and decide to download the Digital Plus Package.
I get told I need to go enter a bunch of information about myself.
I enter it all in and because it decides I have mistyped something I have to try again. Of course it has cleared out most of what I typed.
I try (typing) the right stuff in 5 times and it just keeps clearing things out for me to type them in again.
So after more than an hour of craziness and making my programs list garbage and being scared and seeing that Microsoft.com is a terrible website I haven’t run Moviemaker and I haven’t got the plus package.
The lack of attention to usability represented by these experiences blows my mind. I thought we had reached a low with Windows Network places or the messages I get when I try to use 802.11. (don’t you just love that root certificate message?)
When I really get to use the stuff I am sure I will have more feedback.
When we were concluding our interview last week, I showed Gates a printout of the e-mail and asked if he ever got Movie Maker to work. Gates noted that Microsoft plans to include Movie Maker as part of Windows Live, so people will get the program when they download that online package. The company isn’t confirming that officially yet, but’s not a complete surprise. See this Wikipedia entry and this related post on LiveSide.net. (Site temporarily down as of Tuesday morning.)
As for the message, Gates smiled and said, “There’s not a day that I don’t send a piece of e-mail … like that piece of e-mail. That’s my job.”
Follow-up: No BS: A glimpse of the real Bill Gates
Update: Dave Ross of KIRO-AM/710 in Seattle did a dramatic reading of the message on air Wednesday morning. Click here to access the audio.
Update, Friday: During his farewell event at Microsoft this morning, Gates referred to this, and poked a little fun at us: “One of the newspapers had some e-mail that I sent about how maybe Windows could have been better at something, and they said, ‘This is a shocking e-mail. Shocking!’ And I said, ‘What do you think I do all day? Sending an e-mail like that, that is my job. That’s what it’s all about. We’re here to make things better.”
See more from that farewell event in this post."
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Hmm.. sta si sa ovim hteo da kazes? Da su Windows i Microsoft konfuzni do daske? Pitaj Kutiju da li mu je proradio AppStore na njegovom MBP i sta je sve pokusavao da bi ga nateroa da radi.
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necu ja nista da kazem - B. Gates je sve rekao u emailu
Microsoft potpuno zasluzeno ima credits za "Eating your own dog food"
u search ocigledno nisam ukucao iz prve sta treba i zavrsio sam na nekim stranicama koje ne vode nigde...
konkretno: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322389 - gde god da liknes, mrtvi linkovi... Corvus Corax -u hvala jos jednom! a vas dvojica nastavite da uzivate u M$ tehnologijama
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Tacno je da im je sajt konfuzan... To ne sporim. Medjutim slicne stvari mi se desavaju sa Apple develepor portalom. Stari linkovi na teme ne rade a kako doci do novih je isto tako konfuzno.
Kovac rekao nesto lose u Apple-u??? Who are you and what did you do with Milan
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Alfaunitse, dokle vise (?): ne znam sta sam tacno ukucao u search na www.microsoft.com ali nisam dobio stranicu sa download linkom za SP3 vec samo online installer...
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Ako si kucao nesto osim "Windows XP SP3" sam si kriv sto ti nije osnovno palo na pamet, jer ovo izbacuje ceo installer.
A cak i u Online installer download-u (na stranici za isti) imas i link za Offline installer.
Sta dokle vise? Sam si poceo kako je ms.com tezak za rad, a ne umes osnovne stvari sam da uradis? Da li je Apple kriv za to ili ti sto se previse samo na njega koncentrises, ili si sam kriv kao osoba je samo komican deo svega, ali ocigledno je da MS nije kriv za tvoj nacin razmisljanja (hteo sam nesto bezobraznije da kazem, ali necu - zbog sebe, ne zbog tebe)
A cak i u Online installer download-u (na stranici za isti) imas i link za Offline installer.
Sta dokle vise? Sam si poceo kako je ms.com tezak za rad, a ne umes osnovne stvari sam da uradis? Da li je Apple kriv za to ili ti sto se previse samo na njega koncentrises, ili si sam kriv kao osoba je samo komican deo svega, ali ocigledno je da MS nije kriv za tvoj nacin razmisljanja
(hteo sam nesto bezobraznije da kazem, ali necu - zbog sebe, ne zbog tebe)
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Dobra fora. :d
btw.
Ne verujem da je ovo Bill pisao.
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Naravno da nije Bill Gates pisao taj email.
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Ako bi cepidlačili, rekao bih da je moguće da je napisao deo poruke, tipa ovaj prvi deo, ali ostatak sigurno nije.
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Dalje, ove priče da ne zna zašto toliko dugo traje instalacije... Da je update bio 17MB... Da mu je računar spor...
Da, baš Bill Gates ima budget PC. A još manje, da programer postavi takva pitanja. Baš nebulozno.
kovacm, kako si mogao da poveruješ u tako nešto?
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Nakon toga, se u tekstu pojavljuje da su mu rekli da kuca movie maker (što je već, kako piše, otkucao), i onda je navodno našao.
Dalje, ove priče da ne zna zašto toliko dugo traje instalacije... Da je update bio 17MB... Da mu je računar spor...
Da, baš Bill Gates ima budget PC. A još manje, da programer postavi takva pitanja. Baš nebulozno.
kovacm, kako si mogao da poveruješ u tako nešto?
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naravno da nije. samo je bio koriscen kao dokaz na sudu
...i da pitas Bill Gatesa, i on bi ti rekao da se ne seca da ih je pisao - Microsoft on Trial: Gates fails to recall emails: "At one point, Gates said he had no idea whether an e-mail with his name at the top and apparently marked as evidence by the Microsoft legal department had come from his company. "I have no idea what those numbers are,"" PDF
...a sve i da nije, u svakom slucaju sjajno opisuje rad na Windowsu
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A tvoj post odlicno opisuje Apple fenboja - "unable to do basic stuff like typing into a Search box"...a sve i da nije, u svakom slucaju sjajno opisuje rad na Windowsu
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...a sve i da nije, u svakom slucaju sjajno opisuje rad na Windowsu
Instant facepalm 2u1.
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