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Win XP - Automatic Updates?

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Je l' ima to smisla?
Je l' koristi to neko, ili ga u glavnom iskljucujete?

Skoro svaki drugi dan on pronadje neku novu zakrpu... to znaci da ce za pola godine Windows da mi bude sav iskrpljen. To po meni nije zdravo, ali je to vise-manje predrasuda pa k'o velim - da pitam.
 
Ja lično ne koristim automatic update (isključen mi je taj servis skroz), ali povremeno (svakih par dana) ručno uradim update - skinem sve critical i recommended updateove (od onih ostalih odaberem koji mi trebaju).

Ako imaš uslova (dobru vezu), obavezno instaliraj sve updateove koji izađu.
 
Instaliraj obavezno Critical update, a za Windows po potrebi...
Kod mene je ukljucen Windows update, s obzirom da je veza pristojna
 
Ja to iskljucujem, pa kad prodje vreme, odem sam na windows update site i poskidam ono sto je novo. Masa stvari mi uopste i ne treba, tipa novija verzija mesengera ili movie mejkera - ne koristim ih.
 
Ja sam na kompu koji je koristio xp obavezno radio update, nego malopre sam se zbunio jer sam upravo na jednoj masini sa najpopularnijim izdanjem beogradskog 98se izdanja uradio update celog sistema i sve radi kako treba... ranije nije to nije moglo.
 
Ma šta će vam taj Auto Update? Veći deo toga su stvarno bezvezne stari!
Ono kao 'ajd nek se skida bilo šta kad već imam neta!
 
Thunderdome je napisao(la):
Ma šta će vam taj Auto Update? Veći deo toga su stvarno bezvezne stari!

Bezvezne? :trust: :sceptic:
 
Da! Gomila ispravki za ie (sigurnosnih), za outlook takođe, 2 nove opcije u Movie Makeru i Messeneger-u! Pa ko to koristi?
Ok ima i nekih ozbiljnih, ali uglavnom su ovakve stvari.
Sledeći argument protiv je što taj servis čas radi čas ne, obaveštenja kasne i što tokom intalacije zakrpe često nema ni reči o tome šta se zapravo dešava!

Nikad nisam to koristio i nisam imao nikakvih problema sigurnosne prirode!
Instaliraš SP nakon pola godine i lepo uštediš vreme, trud i nerve.
Da nećeš i tehničku podršku da zoveš a?

Nema šta, težimo ka pouzdanom računarstvu.
 
Thunderdome je napisao(la):
Da! Gomila ispravki za ie (sigurnosnih), za outlook takođe, 2 nove opcije u Movie Makeru i Messeneger-u! Pa ko to koristi?
Ok ima i nekih ozbiljnih, ali uglavnom su ovakve stvari.

:) Pa zbog tih ozbiljnih i treba instalirati redovno update-ove - pogotovu one critical.


Thunderdome je napisao(la):
Instaliraš SP nakon pola godine i lepo uštediš vreme, trud i nerve.

A između 2 service pack-a? Već je izgleda zaboravljen RPC overflow bug? Za njega je zakrpa izašla dosta pre nego što su se pojavili MS Blaster i njemu slični worm-ovi.

Naravno da redovan update nije nikakva garancija, ali mislim da critical update-ovi mogu bez problema da se skinu i preko običnog 56k modema, i mogu da uštede dosta živaca...

Ajd... cheers
 
Ok, zanemario sam critical update.
 
Pa eto razloga! Gubljenje vremena i para! A možda ti imaš nešto bolju cenrtalu!
Meni treba nova centrala, a i bandera - kod jednog tipa u mom kraju promenuli banderu i sad kao ima mnogo bolju vezu :)
 
-Nenad- je napisao(la):
Jedini razlog je 56K internet zbog brzine i $$$$$$

Pa, ako nesto veliko treba da se skine, poput tih updateova ili sl., ostavim ga preko noci da skida i da se ugasi cim zavrsi... Prvo, zavrsice pre jer su tada centrale znatno manje opterecene, a drugo komsija mi ne koristi fon ;-)
:party:
 
sus je zakon kako za kucne tako i za poslovne potrebae,aktivan je,on proveri sta i ima li potebe da skida,skine instalira i sve ok.

Microsoft Solutions for Management: Patch Management Using Microsoft® Software Update Services (SUS)

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Thunderdome je napisao(la):
Pa eto razloga! Gubljenje vremena i para! A možda ti imaš nešto bolju cenrtalu!
Meni treba nova centrala, a i bandera - kod jednog tipa u mom kraju promenuli banderu i sad kao ima mnogo bolju vezu :)
To mora da je optička bandera. :d :d
 
Vlad je napisao(la):
sus je zakon kako za kucne tako i za poslovne potrebae,aktivan je,on proveri sta i ima li potebe da skida,skine instalira i sve ok.

Microsoft Solutions for Management: Patch Management Using Microsoft® Software Update Services (SUS)

link

Ako sam te dobro razumeo. Instaliram SUS i onda ce mi on sam automatski preporuciti sta da skinem sa neta? Bio sam na sajtu i ima mnogo updjetova, tako da nemam pojma sta da skinem, ali ako ce on da to prepozna i da odredi onda svaka mu cast. Stedi i vreme i pare. :D
 
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Microsoft Systems Management Server Software Update Services Guide

The Microsoft Systems Management Server (SMS) Software Update Services (SUS) Guide is the beginning to end Best Practices document that encompasses field proven practices that will help you be successful. It provides concise information, prescriptive guidance, tools, collections, test details, and templates to help organizations cost-effectively maintain a secure and reliable Microsoft environment through the proactive assessment of vulnerabilities and the application of security patches and appropriate countermeasures.

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SUS ustvari pogleda sta imas od racunara instaliranih na domenu, pa zatim poskida patcheve za te racunare. Ne gleda sta imas ili nemas vec instalirano, samo koji je OS i koji SP. Kod mene je kombinacija w2k SP3 i XP SP1 i skinuo sam oko 550 Mb update-ova.

Istina mnogo je bolja prica koristiti SUS jer ne mora da se skida po 5x za svaki racunar. Ono sto Vlad nije napomenuo je da je to Server software.

M
 
kUdtiHaEX je napisao(la):
Pa, ako nesto veliko treba da se skine, poput tih updateova ili sl., ostavim ga preko noci da skida i da se ugasi cim zavrsi... Prvo, zavrsice pre jer su tada centrale znatno manje opterecene, a drugo komsija mi ne koristi fon ;-)
:party:
Josh ako imash cable... Shalim se, ali zaista je dobra stvarcica Automatic Updates.
 
miha\zero je napisao(la):
Ono sto Vlad nije napomenuo je da je to Server software.

M
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Microsoft Systems Management Server Software Update Services Guide

Tools and Technologies
Organizations of all sizes should use automated tools that make administrators aware of critical updates and allow them to manage and control installation. The following sections identify and describe the Microsoft tools that are available to organizations that do not have a systems management application like Microsoft Systems Management Server 2003 (SMS), and are looking for a simple patch management solution for critical updates and service packs.

Software Update Services
SUS allows customers to install a service that can download all critical updates and security updates and service packs as they are posted to the Microsoft Windows® Update Web site at http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp.

When administrators have approved these updates, SUS will automatically make them available to all preconfigured servers running Microsoft Windows Server™ 2003 and Windows 2000, as well as to desktops running Windows XP Professional and Windows 2000 Professional. SUS supports only critical and security updates—including service packs—that apply to the operating system and components included with the operating system. All other software updates—including those for applications—will need to be handled using a different mechanism.
 
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The SUS parent server downloads critical updates and security updates on a daily basis from the public Microsoft Windows Update servers using a preconfigured synchronization schedule. The SUS parent server requires that the outbound TCP port 80 be open through the firewall.

The SUS test server is configured to download the updates from the SUS parent server. This also occurs on a scheduled daily basis with the synchronization time set to one hour after the SUS parent server synchronizes with the public Microsoft Windows Update servers. (One hour is the closest possible time to the SUS parent server synchronization schedule.) This is to ensure that the packages are present on the SUS test server as soon as possible and are ready for approval and testing.

The SUS test team should approve the new updates on the SUS test server. After they have been approved, the updates become immediately available to all SUS test clients. The SUS test clients will poll the SUS test server every 22 hours, minus up to 20 percent for randomization. This is to avoid having all SUS clients poll the server at the same time. After testing is deemed successful for a specific update, the SUS administrator should approve that update on the SUS parent server.

After the update is approved on the SUS parent server, SUS clients reporting in to that server begin downloading it, by default, within 22 hours. Installation starts according to the specified schedule, or when it is performed by the local administrator. Client computers reporting in to SUS child servers will start downloading the update up to 22 hours from the point at which the approval reaches the child server.

The SUS child servers are configured to automatically synchronize with the parent server on a daily basis. Child servers synchronize and download all contents as well as the approved items from the SUS parent server. After synchronization occurs, all approved updates on the SUS parent server are mirrored on the SUS child servers and are immediately available to the production SUS clients configured to poll critical and security updates from such SUS child servers. In the topology design shown in Figure 2.3, administrators need only approve an update on the SUS parent server for it to be made available to all production SUS clients. It is always possible to initiate a manual synchronization on all SUS servers.

Microsoft occasionally updates the detection criteria (metadata) for a software update, which will cause a software update to appear with an “updated” status. There might also be occasions when a software update has been reissued and this will also cause an “updated” status to appear in the interface. There are few occurrences of software updates being re-released, however, and when one is, information about that appears in the software update bulletin. If the original version of the update has already been approved in the SUS GUI, the SUS administrator can configure the SUS server either for auto-approval or for manual approval of the re-released version of the update.

To ensure that revised updates are not automatically released into production without testing, the administrator should select the option Do not automatically approve new versions of approved updates. I will manually approve these updates later on the SUS server.
 
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Ja ga imam vec postavljenog na 6-7 mesta. Meni radi posao, kao i na mestima gde je postavljen.

M
 
Jedino shto me nervira jeste shto se svaki hot-fix upishe i u Add/Remove Programs, pa mi je lista dugachka kilometar. Jel postoji neko reshenje za ovo??
 
pa sta ti to smeta,i treba da upise,da bi znao sta ima a sta ne,to mu dodje kao univerzalni katalog instaliranihh patcheva.
Ujedno tako mozes da uninstaliras ako ti pravi probleme,a da toga nema...
 
postoji resenje,cekaj service pack,ako si hrabar da ostavis sistem nezasticen.
 
Vlad je napisao(la):
pa sta ti to smeta,i treba da upise,da bi znao sta ima a sta ne,to mu dodje kao univerzalni katalog instaliranihh patcheva.
Ujedno tako mozes da uninstaliras ako ti pravi probleme,a da toga nema...
Ma ne smeta meni to, samo bilo bi bolje da je u nekom odvojenom tabu ili tako neshto. I ne brini, nastavljam ja sa redovnim updateom... :)
 
Uletis lepo u regedit i nadjes
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall
i tu pobrises ono sto neces da ima u unistall listi u control panelu..........eto
 
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