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[Denitea]

Drugar ima 5.1 sistem Logitech Z5500 i Creative Live 5.1. Intersuje ga da li bi Audigy 2 karticom ili nekom drugom dobio bolji zvuk i da li vredi za ulozeni novac?
Hvala unapred i pozz!

 

[Sovica]

Ja bas i ne bih preporucivao creative kartice za Z-5500.
Inace imam tog logija a imao sam creative live! 24 bit i imao sam konstatna sustanja i pucketanja preko nje a preko integruse apsolutno nista.
Posle sam vidjao da ljudi imaju dosta problema sa creative karticama a narocito oni sa xi-fi modelima.

Dali ce imati napredka, verovatno hoce, primetni sumnjam (mozda sa optickim prikljuckom).

 

[savo.sm]

Priključi Logija na digitalni izlaz i nećeš verovati kakva je razlika. Creative jednostavno ne leži Logitechu.

 

[gvlada]

Izvinite o cemu pricate? Imam X-Fi XtremeMusic i Z-5500, Vistu Ultimate 64, najnovije drivere i Alchemy. Nema pucketanja, zvuk je odlican, sve se cuje vise nego dobro i to ide coax na Z-5500. A isti primer imam kod drugara koji ima X-Fi Fatal1ty Pro i Z-5500. Znaci nemojte da lazete coveka da ne lezi kada cu licno da demonstriram suprotno!! Razlika u zvuku bice vise nego ocigledna i toplo preporucujem X-Fi seriju.

 

[savo.sm]

Pre tebe u ovoj temi niko nije pominjao x-fi. To da Creative ne leži odnosilo se na Live i Audigy. Isprobao sam Live 16 bit, Live 24 bit, Audigy SE i Audigy 4 i sve su davale lošiji zvuk u odnosu na Logitech povezan digitalno na integrušu. X-Fi nisam probao i o njoj nemam sud.

 

[savo.sm]

Mea culpa. Sad vidim da je Sovica pominjao X-Fi, ali nevezano za Z- 5500 i lična iskustva sa tom kombinacijom.

 

[gvlada]

U principu me poptuno iznenadilo to sto sam procitao i "Posle sam vidjao da ljudi imaju dosta problema sa creative karticama a narocito oni sa xi-fi modelima." Pa da nemam kuci pa da poverujem, ako neko zna da podesi radice.

 

[Sovica]

Da ne bude da pricam gluposti pogledaj ovih par linkova:

http://forums.logitech.com/rss/message?board.id=51_speakers&message.id=387
http://forums.creative.com/creative...ssage.id=71962&view=by_date_ascending&page=23
http://www.techimo.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-132359.html
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/709222.html
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=193560

Nisu svi linkovi vezani za xi-fi jer se covek razmislja o audigy kartici.
Uglavnom ja kad sam se bavio ovom tematikom pre nekih godinu dana masa ljudi je imalo problema sa creative karticama i z-5500.
Sad vidim da su se malo stvari promenile i da su ispeglali sve to driverima ali vidim da i dalje odredjeni ljudi imaju problema. Nikad nisam rekao da SVI imaju problema vec da mu se moze desiti da ima kao sto sam i ja imao.

 

[vkozomar]

U principu me poptuno iznenadilo to sto sam procitao i "Posle sam vidjao da ljudi imaju dosta problema sa creative karticama a narocito oni sa xi-fi modelima." Pa da nemam kuci pa da poverujem, ako neko zna da podesi radice.

Potvrda da radi odlicno i bez pucketanja na WIN XP PRO ... + ta kombinacija daje opciju da na LOGIja prikljucite vise uredjaja

 

[kull]

Izvinite o cemu pricate? Imam X-Fi XtremeMusic i Z-5500, Vistu Ultimate 64, najnovije drivere i Alchemy. Nema pucketanja, zvuk je odlican, sve se cuje vise nego dobro i to ide coax na Z-5500. A isti primer imam kod drugara koji ima X-Fi Fatal1ty Pro i Z-5500. Znaci nemojte da lazete coveka da ne lezi kada cu licno da demonstriram suprotno!! Razlika u zvuku bice vise nego ocigledna i toplo preporucujem X-Fi seriju.

Ako nikada nisi otisao na oficijelni Creative Forum, (s obzirom na to sta tvrdis ocigledno nisi),
otprilike 30% - 40% svih vlasnika X-Fi kartica (nevezano za model) ima neki problem s istom.
Ti problemi se vuku jos od XP-a pa sve sad do Viste.
Nekompatibilnost i problemi su uvek postojali, ali ovo je malo preterano.

Ostalima sve radi OK pa se uglavnom cude poput tebe.
Najgore je sto za ovo ljudi uglavnom krive ploce, a ne zvucnu koja je po meni stvarni krivac!

 

[kull]

Sto se tice digital-out-a na Creative karticama (X-Fi) "4pole minijack" kad sam procitao ovo tek tad sam se razocarao u istu.
Skraceno:
Digital-out na X-Fiju radi u "pravom" 5.1 modu samo sa digitalnim Creative zvucnicima jer ima jack koji lici na onaj kakav je na 99% ostalih zvucnika, ali ima tri kontakta vise.
Stoga, nikakav zvuk preko digitalne veze procesiran od strane EMU20k1 ne prolazi celovit nego sam dva kanala!

Procitajte ovo u celini, veoma dobar i jasan tekst:

I have noticed that many people have problems using their digital connections, so I put together this info to try and explain the difference between digital and analogue, and how to use them.


Digital Connections
Digital connections come in two standard forms, optical and coax. They both give you exactly the same result, the only difference is the medium (material) through which the signal travels. The thing to remember about digital is that for ordinary, uncompressed sound, it will only carry a stereo signal. So, if you like to use CMSS with your music, or you try the speaker test function, optical/coax is useless as you only hear the front left/right speakers.


Movies wth Dolby Digital (AC3) & DTS
Movies on DVD often use encoded audio in the form of Dolby Digital (AC3) or DTS. This means that all 6 channels are compressed into a single stream of digital data. A decoder is required to extract the channels and send the sound to the correct speakers. There are three ways to do this.


1) Pass the AC3/DTS signal to a external decoder.

This is where your optical/coax connection is used. To go down this route, you must first have a set of speakers or a decoder that supports Dolby Digital. In your DVD software, select 'SPDIF' as the audio output method and 'SPDIF Pass-through' in your soundcard options. What this does is tells both the software and soundcard to leave the audio from the DVD in compressed form and send it straight through the digital outputs. Your digital speakers/receiver will do all the decoding to give you full surround sound. Please note that this is the only way to get 6 channels through an optical/coax cable.


2) Decode the AC3/DTS with your Sound Blaster.

You should choose this option if you don't have an external decoder. In the DVD software, select 'SPDIF' as the audio output method and make sure that 'SPDIF Pass-through' in the souncard options is off. The DVD software will now pass the compressed audio to your soundcard, which will then decode the data. The soundcard will output the 6 channels using the analogue connections (or digital DIN, more on this later). If you try to use a digital optical/coax connection to your speakers, you will only hear faint sounds from the front left/right speakers.


3) Decode the AC3/DTS with software.

If you have a soundcard that doesn't support Dolby Digital (like the SB Live! 24-bit) and you don't have digital speakers, the only way for you to get surround sound in movies is to use software to decode the AC3/DTS. The free versions of DVD software you get with hardware often don't support this feature, you will most likely need a full version. First select 'Dolby Digital' or 'DTS' decoding in the DVD software audio options (you must select the right sound format for the movie you are watching). Then make sure that 'SPDIF Pass-through' in the soundcard options is off. As with method (2) you must connect your speakers with the 3 analogue cables, not optical/coax.


PC Games
PC games usually use technologies like as EAX to create surround sound, not Dolby Digital. So even if your speaker system has a Dolby Digital decoder, it will be of no use when playing games. The EAX processing is done on the soundcard, and the 6-channel sound is output via the analogue (or digital DIN if available). So you still need analogue connections to your digital speakers for games, if you just use an optical/coax cable you will only get the front left/right sound.

(N.B. X-Box games do support Dolby Digital, so if you connect your X-Box to your Dolby Digital receiver/speakers with the optical cable, you can get full surround sound.)


Creative's 4-pole mini-jack & Digital DIN
You can only get the full use out of this connection when used between Creative Sound Blasters and compatible Creative speaker systems. It is the digital equivalent of the analogue connections, but instead of using 3 stereo sockets, you use just one digital socket. There are 4 conducting connections in the socket (unlike coax which has two) so there are enough connections to carry 3 different digital stereo signals (front R/L, rear R/L and Sub/Centre). You will probably require a 4-pole mini-jack > DIN converter to connect your Creative speakers to this socket. Using this connection will allow you to get surround from games (unlike SPDIF). However the digital DIN input on some Creative speakers can't receive AC3/DTS data, so you may still require an optical/coax connection.

N.B. This digital socket on the Sound Blaster cards doubles as the digital coax output. If you don't have digital DIN, you can use a mono or stereo mini-jack > RCA converter to connect to the coax input on your speakers, as the front R/L or AC3/DTS signals are sent through the tip of the plug.


More Info

Creative's Speaker Conectivity Guide: http://us.creative.com/support/kb/article.asp?l=2&sid=5035
Dolby Surround info: http://www.dolby.com


I hope that clarifies the issue .

 

[Lazarus]

Evo ovako:

- koristio sam Audigy keca do pre par dana... U kombinaciji sa Z5500, pod XPom, sve je radilo perfektno, bilo da je analogna ili digitalna [coax] konekcija. Međutim, pod Vistom nisam mogao ni da pomislim da dobijem iste funkcije koje sam imao pod XPom [a o tim problemima imaš dosta toga i u ovoj sobi];
- nabavio sam X-fi Xtreme Music i sve [pod Vistom] radi kako bi trebalo. stvarno nisam doživeo nikakva pucketanja i slično. Zvuk u igrama je osetno bolji [EAX], samo sam se ubio dok sam stigao do odgovarajućih drajvera. Elem, kada odeš na Creative sajt, odabereš Evropu kao region, zatim Srbiju [i Crnu Goru], zadaš parametre za skidanje drajvera [Vista, 32-bitna] i skineš iste, dobiješ nekakvu glupost koja čak ne prepoznaje karticu ubodenu u kompjuter. Kada sve to skinem sa Creative sajta koji za region ima odabran Severnu Ameriku, pa USA kao zemlju, dođem do drajvera koji čak nemaju ni istu oznaku kao drajveri spomenuti malopre i sve radi kao sat.

U svakom slučaju, odgovor na pitanje je: tvoj ortak će da oseti poboljšanje. Ukoliko planira da pređe na Vistu neka pazari X-Fi. Ukoliko će da se zadržava na XPu, onda će i bilo koji Audigy da mu završava posao.

Do svidanija.

 

[gvlada]

Pa preko digitalnog izlaza se salje encodovani 5.1 signal koij ext decoder razbija i imas zvuk ili nekodovani stereo. Tako je svuda a ne samo kod Creativa! Jedino kartice novijeg datuma koje imaju DD Live i sl mogu pricati da salju bilo koji signal preko spdif ali i tada je encodiran, jedino HDMI 1.3 moze da salje 5.1 cak i 7.1 nekodovani digitalni signal. Clan sam Creative foruma vec par godina, a koa sto sam rekao ako neko zna da namesti radice!

 

[kull]

Rekao bih da ne igras igre jer preko X-Fija i nonCreative zvucnika digitalnom vezom ne mozes cuti EAX (2,3,4,5) zvuk.Ni OpenAL naravno.

PC Games
PC games usually use technologies like as EAX to create surround sound, not Dolby Digital. So even if your speaker system has a Dolby Digital decoder, it will be of no use when playing games. The EAX processing is done on the soundcard, and the 6-channel sound is output via the analogue (or digital DIN if available). So you still need analogue connections to your digital speakers for games, if you just use an optical/coax cable you will only get the front left/right sound.

Posto je X-Fi "igracka" zvucna karta, podrska za te silne sound APIje je jedino sto joj je bonus u odnosu na konkurenciju.
Zato sam i postovao onaj text,
Ako samo slusate muziku ili gledate DVD-e, Creative + Logitech digitalni zvucnici nije los izbor jer zvucnici imaju sopstveni dekoder.
Ako igrate igre, za potpuni 5.1 ili 7.1 zvuk na Logitech zvucnicima morate X-Fi povezati analogno.(ili kupiti Creative zvucnike sa digitalnom vezom)

 

[gvlada]

Pa poznato je da X-Fi ne salje 5.1 sirovo preko spdif vec samo stereo tako da za igre jeste da mora preko analognih i to sam znao. X-Fi nije samo igracka karta vec imas modele po nameni, ali digitalni izlaz ide preko coax ili optickog kabla i to je to standardno, ne znam na koji treci konektor mislis. Postoje analgoni kablovi sa tecim konektorom da iz 5.1 analognog izlaza (3 stereo bananice) dobijes 7.1 zvuk ali ne digitalni. Objasni mi, molim te, jos bolje zakaci sliku.

 

[kull]

Ne mogu da nadjem shemu ni sliku sad na brzinu, ali ima dosta tekstova u cemu se razlikuju:
Naizgled je isti kao digital coax, ali ima "narezana" 4 kontakta umesto 2 na obicnom coax-u.
Zbog toga standardni coax prenosi samo prednja dva kanala kada se x-fi poveze na ostale digitalne zvucnike.

Creative's 4-pole mini-jack & Digital DIN:

You can only get the full use out of this connection when used between Creative Sound Blasters and compatible Creative speaker systems. It is the digital equivalent of the analogue connections, but instead of using 3 stereo sockets, you use just one digital socket. There are 4 conducting connections in the socket (unlike coax which has two) so there are enough connections to carry 3 different digital stereo signals (front R/L, rear R/L and Sub/Centre). You will probably require a 4-pole mini-jack > DIN converter to connect your Creative speakers to this socket. Using this connection will allow you to get surround from games (unlike SPDIF). However the digital DIN input on some Creative speakers can't receive AC3/DTS data, so you may still require an optical/coax connection.

Ovde imas takav jedinstveni 4-pole mini-jack na Creative Inspire 5700 Digital zvucnicima i kabl, ali su slike jako male.
Pomenuti zvucnici se mogu nakaciti i preko standardnih digital coax i spdif-a ali kao sto rekosmo tako igre nece raditi u punom sjaju.
(bice isto kao i na Logiju)

http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=speakers&message.id=8897

 

[gvlada]

http://193.95.171.83/SRVS/CGI-BIN/W..._add,VARSET=ws:http://yu.europe.creative.com/
ovo sam ja nasao, i dalje ostaje muzika i film dig out a igrice analogni, nece osetiti neku razliku u igrama.

 

[Denitea]

Nemam trenutno PC, tako da sam tek sada procitao odgovore. Zahvaljujem se svima na do sada datim komentarima u ime drugara. Prenecu mu sve, a on neka se odluci 🙂.

 

[Denitea]

Da prefolmulisem pitanje 🙂, recite mi koju zvucnu da uzme do nekih 60-70e?

 

[gvlada]

Nijednu! Nek' doda jos 20€ i uzme X-Fi XtremeMusic. Sve ispod toga nije joj ni prineti.

 

[CAR]

To da Creative ne leži odnosilo se na Live i Audigy.

Pa onda se kaze "ne lezi Audigy i Live! modelima"... a ne Creative-u.

 

[darkoko]

Ljudi ja na kraju nisam shvatio koju karticu kupiti za z-5500 ako se koristi WinXP???

 

[Ripper]

X-Fi Music 🙂 kao što već rekoh...