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Stigao mi onaj Clawhammer 3700+ (754) o kome sam pisao. A sa njim, stigose i problemi! Ploca je asus k8n4-e deluxe, memorija je 2x512 kingmax hardcore. Da ponovim, 3000+ sam zamenio za njega uz doplatu. Sa starim procesorom, sve je bilo na default, a mem. je radila na 2, 3, 3, 5, T1 bez problema. Sa novim procesorom se desavaju cudne stvari. Teksture u igrama flesiraju, a u 3d marku, narocito cpu testovima, javljaju se crne linije. Mislio sam da cu resiti problem kada olabavim timinge, ali jok. Win sam reinstalirao, sada SP2, a memoriju vratio na default 3, 9, 9, 4, T2. I opet isto. Da li je moguce da mem. kontroler na ovom procesoru ne zeli da saradjuje sa ovim kingmaxom? Nista mi bre drugari ne pada na pamet! Malo mi ploca sumnjiva, doduse, jer hoce malo da se cuje onaj visokofrekventni zvuk, narocito kad se nesto ucitava, odnosno kad je zauzece procesora veliko, ali to se i ranije desavalo sa 3000+. Probao sam da premestam mem. u druge dimm slotove, da vadim jedno stapce, i opet nista!!!
 
Neznam u cemu je problem ali probaj da flashujesh najnoviji bios za plocu koji nadjes, mozda pomogne pogotovu sto se memorije tice.
 
Lepo sam ti rekao da clockujes onog N'castle-a, ali ne, ti zapeo: 'ocu Clawhammer, 'ocu Clawhammer!!
 
Jesi li probao da podignes voltazu memoriji
 
Ah, skola se placa! Evo kako stoje stvari! U pitanju je samo procesor! Prebacio sam ga kod druga na DFI, n-force 3 ploci, i isto. Uradi 2-3 CPU testa u 3d marku i freezuje, pada ruzicasta kisa u NFS-U itd... Ono sto je vazno je da sam otkrio da moja ploca laze za nekih 14 stepeni kada je u pitanju temperatura. Na DFI-u je na boot 50, a na load ide i do 61!! A gornja granica za shut down u bios-u je 72! Da se on ne pregreva pa flesira mem kontroler? Sta mislite! Muka mi je pri pomisli da treba da dam jos 35-40 eura za dobar cooler, samo da bi video da to opet ne radi!!!
Sve u svemu, svasta. Cuo sam da graficka rikne, ali da moze da radi na nekoj office masini. Ali da 3700+ rikne za sve osim internet, filmove i muziku, pa to je tragi-komicno! Veliki pozdrav! Hvala!:wall: :bottle:
 
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Nemoj da kupuješ cooler od 40€, taj CPU mora da radi kao 3700+ sa stock (običnim) kulerom!!!
Jesi probao sa dizanjem V CPU-a?
 
Pre kupovine novog kulera, možda je najbolje pokušati sa nekom novom revizijom BIOSa! Neodgovarajući BIOS rezultuje problemima u radu, ali i lažiranju radne temperature...
 
Ok, momci. Zadnji beta bios sam flashovao i opet laze temp. 14 stepeni nize pokazuje od DFI-a!!!!!! Downloadujem Prime. Sve Default, torture test prvi na listi (small FFT, L2 cashe....less Ram) i pukne bukvalno za sekundu! Spustim mnozilac sa 12 na 11.5, to je underclock 100Mhz, i radi prime 45 minuta, i onda sam ga ja prekinuo! 3D Mark 05 radi bez artefakta! Potom ga stavim na 2.47, otvorim vrata od sobe, da se ladi od napolje, i radi na 2.47 20 min, isto ja prekidam prime, sve ok. Zatim 3d 05 cpu test, opet nema brljotina!?? Da oce da se odluci vec jednom!!!:crash:
 
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Ma Superstarr, nema sanse da radi sa stock coolerom, veruj mi! Ne radi ni sa ovim Gigabyte!Pustio sam Prime torture test opet, procesor na Default! (2.41mhz) Vrata od sobe su bila otvorena , napolju je oko 4-5c. Sve je 6 sati radilo Ok! Temperatura cpu-a je oko pravih 50-52c na load u tim uslovima! Koje hladjenje preporucujete za ovu furunu!!!? Mislio sam da nadjem i artic silver negde, ali toga izgleda da nema kod nas?
 
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ja cu ti samo reci jedno:

Vrati ili zameni procesor taj je ocito neispravan.
 
oce da se sj**e kes mem na proc ako je oc , dizana voltaza a nije adekvatno hladjen, naravno ne na svakom neki primerci izguraju sve, ali cini mi se da na je na ovome tvome po greskama koje prijavljuje otisla kesh mem.
Menjaj ga pod hitno.
 
Veoma moguce ljudi! Jedino mi nije jasno kako procesor kome je crko l2 cashe moze da tera Prime 95 6 sati!!!!, i jos bi da ga nisam pekinuo! Procesor se ponasa nestabilno samo kada temperatura predje oko laznih 47 stepeni, sto je verovatno oko 60, sudeci po Abitu!!!
 
Evo sad sam se igrao Fear na maximumu 2 sata. Ako moze Cpu sa pokvarenim l2 kesom da tera fear, da ga boles! Nego, jel ipak neko zna gde moze da se dodje do Arctic silver-a ovde kod nas!! Mislim da je pravo pitanje da li je normalno da ovaj procesor poludi na oko 60c, (posto ocigledno da bi radio ko zmaj samo kad bi ja mogo da se igram u zimskoj jakni sa rukavicama), ili bi trebao da trpi bez problema i vece temperature. U tom slucaju, ohladicu da, ali u VC solji!!! BTW, Puno ljudi se zali na temp Evo iz Amd Foruma:


Hi i was just wondering if anyone could give me any help with temperatures for my AMD 3700+ clawhammer i know the clawhammers run hot but not too sure what is too hot for it i was using a thermalright heatsink with standard thermal paste then i purchased a zalman cnps 9500 led which i have applied with some arctic silver thermal paste and idle i get 50-52c temp under load i get 60-63c which i consider to be quite hot for the processor and i am now running out of ideas of what to try next as i dont really want to go to water cooling as i am quite new to the modding scene and dont really trust myself with it lol....
My system specs are .....

AMD 3700+ Clawhammer SKT 754
1 GB Corsair xms 3200
128mb Geforce 6800 LE
80GB Hdd
DFI Lanparty NF3 250GB Ultra motherboard

I hope i have supplied enough information and am able to resolve this issue quite soon

Kind Regards Pinky.
Allardo
Nov 9 2005, 09:49 AM
Hi,

Those temps are quite high, how much arctic silver did you put on? Just a drop the size of rice-grain is enough ( too much of it does the opposite of what it should do). How is your air-flow, does your case have a front intake with fan and and rear outake with fan.

I had also some temperature probs, cpu-temp idle 54C and under load 67C (and rising), after installing an extra fan (in the front) and using artic silver my temps are idle 39-41C and load 54-56C, acceptable!

Some times the bios reads the temps NOT correct and an bios update could help.

I've got an AMD 64 3400+ on an asus k8v se deluxe with a Zalman cnps7000a-aicu and 2 case-fans

Everybody uses different fans and ways of cooling keep that in mind, when you compare your temps with others.

greetings




pinkmischief1977
Nov 9 2005, 10:15 AM
Hi thanks for the reply i used a small amount on artic silver applied to the cpu i have 3 case fane 1 on front sucking in, 1 on back blowing out and 1 on top blowing out all wires are far away from the board and sort of tied up in a bundle to reduce the amount of space they take up and giving more room for air to circulate
just a note before i installed the Zalman it used to idle at around 60c and under load sometimes would just shut down and restart itself at around 74-75c which i was quite surprised about especially annoying when you are recoding a dvd using nero and left it for about a hour or so....

I hope that answers your question about fans and maybe solve me problem well not so much of a problem anymore but still quite hot i think

Many Thanks Pinky
Allardo
Nov 10 2005, 01:31 AM
Yep it is quite hot, but when it's running stable under load you should not worry about it too much, just enjoy!

I 've had the same problems, when running 3dmark05 the system freezed or shut itself down and restarted again. Every time my mobo was "crying"that my cpu temperature was much to high.... So after putting an extra fan in and re-installing my heatsink with some arctic silver the problems were gone (I reapplied the heatsink 2 times cause i had the feeling i used to much arctic silver, the second time i used way less and the temperatures were a few degrees down, compared with the first time after "setting in"). I've also installed a new bios, didn't make any difference... But bundling your cables is a very good thing for a good airflow, i've also did it.

Maybe you should run prime95/burn-in test or burnk7 to test if your system is now stable enough to run a few hours under full load.

greetings


pinkmischief1977
Nov 11 2005, 06:59 PM
ok thanks i will try that out and see how it goes at the moment i am recoding a series of sledge hammer from video to dvd format which is quite heavy for a long duration seems to be stable as the process takes around 2 hours to do and cpu temp in everest home edition shows as 60c and idle seems to be slowy decreasing to around the 45-50,s which is a bit better

Many Thanks for your help and i will test out your info
RashBoss
Nov 12 2005, 05:48 PM
QUOTE(pinkmischief1977 @ Nov 11 2005, 05:59 PM)
ok thanks i will try that out and see how it goes at the moment i am recoding a series of sledge hammer from video to dvd format which is quite heavy for a long duration seems to be stable as the process takes around 2 hours to do and cpu temp in everest home edition shows as 60c and idle seems to be slowy decreasing to around the 45-50,s which is a bit better

Many Thanks for your help and i will test out your info





I have the same exact problem as you. I have a Clawhammer 3400+ that runs at 44 degree Celcius when idle with Cool'n'Quiet enabled and 55 degree Celcius with Cool'n'Quiet disabled. Under full load (with Prime95 torture test) the temperature stablizes at 68 degree Celcius. I see that the Zalman heatsink/fan has reduced the temperature, but I still think that's too much when compared to other CPU in this class. You should stress test your CPU for a few minutes (atleast 5 minutes) using Prime 95 (download here) and post your maximum temperature on this forum. Just out of curiousity, do you have an OEM CPU that came with HP/Compaq system?

BTW, if you haven't done so already, install the AMD Cool'n'Quiet driver (download here for Windows XP). It can reduce your idle temperature by ~10 degree Celcius.
 
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Em je izradjen proc u 0.13u, em ima 1mb L2, naravno da se greje...sad ces da puknes jos 30-40e na dobar cooler...
a sto ne bi probao da ga undervoltujes...da mu smanjis voltazu u biosu...neki primerci rade stabilno i na manjoj voltazi od default a pri tom se manje greju...nista ne kosta da probas...
 
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Flesiraju teksture jos vise kad je undervoltovan. Pa reko ae da ga overvoltujem. I sve radi Ok kad je na 1.6v, tj. sve osim prime 95. Nfs mw sat vremena bez greske. Ali, ocigledno je da je procesor faulty, tako da mislim da je najbolje da ga vratim!
 
Pa da! Btw, mogu da kazem da onaj Prime i nije neko merilo! Npr, radio sam continuous overburn testove u Sandri u trajanju od 2 sata, bez greske, a Prime prsne posle 2 sekunde. Jedan lik na prime 95 forumu se zalio na isto na masini koja radi folding 24 sata dnevno! A i mnogi drugi bogami!
 
Prime je odlično merilo a Sandra je neozbiljno (smešno). ;)
Sandra je za merenje performansi a ne test ispravnosti istih...
 
Za mene je odlicno merilo i performansi i ispravnosti heavy-duty gaming!:type: F*** prime.
 
Onda nemoj ni da menjaš procesor sa ovim možeš da se hvališ da imaš "najbolji Pentijum" 4 u gradu... ;)
 
Hehe! Videcemo jos koji dan testiranja. Ne menja mi se jer je razlika izmedju njega i 3000+ prilicno veca nego sto sam mislio! Mislim da ga je voltaza mucila 99%. Cpu vcore kod Clawhammera ide, (procitao ja) zavisno od jacine l2 cashe, od 1.45 do 1.55. Posto moga bios stavlja na 1.50, reko ae malo electricity! A sto se tice mashine, sigurno sam najjaci u ulici, a i malo sire, sto je, naravno od velike vaznosti. Jos kad dodje 8800gtx. Medjtim, komsa ce da mi pomuti planove. Ceka da izadje Pentijum 5 pa ce da pazari, zajedno sa envideo grafikom i ramom ako bas mora i to da kupi! :whip:
 
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