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Hackers & Apple get Windows XP working on Intel Macs

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Related Topics: The Intel Transition, Mac Desktops
Hackers get Windows XP working on Intel Mac
By Peter Cohen

A contest to see who could get Windows XP working first on an Intel Mac has been won, according to the contest’s coordinator, Colin Nederkoorn. The Windows XP on an Intel Mac page provides a link to a download that includes software and instructions for use.

Nederkoorn first put the contest together after he ordered an Intel-based MacBook Pro for work.

“I told my boss that this would replace my IBM desktop and I could boot Windows XP on it,” he said, and to put his money where his mouth was, he put up $100. He suggested that others with an interest in seeing a dual-boot Macintosh do the same.

To date, the contest has raised over $13,854 in donations, including significant additions from Digital Express, Delicious Monster and Uneasy Silence. Nederkoorn says that any further donations will go to support an open source project created to maintain the work that’s already been done.

News that Windows XP was working natively on an Intel-based iMac first came to light several days ago, when two enterprising users who go by the monikers “narf2006” and “blanka” posted pictures to an account on the Flickr photoblogging service purportedly showing Windows being installed on the system. A video followed, and the solution has since been verified by Nederkoorn and his testers.

Getting Windows XP to work on the Mac is not a plug and play process. According to the documentation included with the file download provided on Nederkoorn’s Web site, users must create an install CD themselves using a PC equipped with a CD-R drive, Microsoft’s Windows XP SP 2 CD-ROM and Nero CD burning software. Step by step instructions for creating the disc are included.

Users must also reformat and repartition their Intel Mac’s hard disk drive to include a separate partition where Windows XP can be installed, then go through a multi-step process to make sure the software is installed properly and the Mac can recognize it.

Once that’s done, users will be able to switch between Mac OS X and Windows after rebooting the Mac.

Nederkoorn notes that with this process in place, all three current Intel-based Mac models can run Windows with the exception of the 20-inch iMac. He also offers a variety of caveats — native graphics drivers aren’t in place yet, for example, so there is limited video performance — a blow to Mac gamers who had hoped for a solution that would let them play Windows games on their new Mac hardware.

“There is no chance you could play a game using this solution, aside from minesweeper,” said Nederkoorn. “It looks like a fix for this may be a ways off yet.”

The Apple Remote and the iSight webcam don’t seem to work yet, either.

Windows XP is already able to work on Intel Macs, but only through the use of machine emulators, which work more slowly than many users would like. The most popular emulator, Microsoft’s Virtual PC, does not yet support Intel-based Mac hardware, and Microsoft has not yet indicated if or when an Intel version might be released.

Hope that Macs might support Windows out of the box dwindled last week during the Intel Developers Forum, when a Microsoft rep told attendees that Windows Vista will not support EFI, the boot technology used by Macs, at least until a server version is ready in 2007. And even then, Microsoft said the support will be restricted to machines that use 64-bit processors. Apple’s current crop of Intel Macs use 32-bit processors.

In order to claim the prize, the winners had to avoid using emulation. They also had to avoid using virtualization software such as VMWare, which allow multiple operating systems to work on a single computer simultaneously.

Source : Macworld
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Za ovo sto su uradili svaka im cast, ali ja bih bolje stavio Mac na Intel procesoru 😉
 
Sustina je u reparticionisanju diska i pravljenju custom boot CD-a za XP.
Jeste malko involving procedura ali uputstvo je detaljno do debila.
 
Marvin Freestyl je napisao(la):

Pa ako dobijemo u donaciji jedan MacBook Pro probacemo obavezno 🙂

Inace, jos uvek ne rade Radeon X1600Pro kartice tj. ne moze da se ucita drajver. Mislim da je problem zato sto Mek-ovi nemaju BIOS niti lagacy support u njihovom EFI-ju tako da od Windows-a na Mac-u i nema prevelike koristi kao uostalom ni od Windows-a na PC-ju 🙂
 
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Ne treba vise nikakav hack! Apple je predstavio, kao sto pise na Inq-u, Boot Camp softver koji omogucava dinamicko particionisanje, pripremu preinstalation CD-a sa svim potrebnim drajverima za Windows XP i na kraju naravno i instalaciju samog Windows XP-sistema ukoliko vam iz nekog razloga on zatreba na Mac-u...

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Na kraju vam doda i Boot meni (poziva se pritiskom na option/alt taster) sa koga mozete da birate: MacOS X ili Windows XP...

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http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

EFI and BIOS

Macs use an ultra-modern industry standard technology called EFI to handle booting. Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in both centuries.

The Boot Camp course

Boot Camp Public Beta provides a straightforward means of letting your Mac run Windows. Here’s how it works:
Intuitive partitioning.

Space maker. Meet the most elegant hard drive utility ever.

* First, you need to make sure your Intel-based Mac has the latest version of Mac OS X and the latest firmware update. These provide technologies that make Boot Camp possible. It’s also wise to print out the Installation & Setup Guide.
* The Boot Camp burns a CD with the drivers Windows needs to recognize Mac-specific hardware. It is very important to do this before starting the Windows installation.
* The software also helps you set aside hard drive space for the Windows installation, without moving any of your Mac files around. Just drag the intuitive slider to choose the size that’s right for you. Boot Camp also helps you remove the Windows partition, should you so desire.
* Next, insert your Windows installation disc, restart and follow the Windows installation process. The only tricky part is selecting the C: drive manually. Be sure to get this right, or you could erase your Mac files accidentally. Remember, Apple Computer does not sell or support Microsoft Windows.
* After the installation process is complete and your Mac has booted Windows, you’ll need the Macintosh Drivers CD you burned previously. When you insert the CD, it will automatically install the drivers. Follow the instructions in the Installation & Setup Guide for helpful hints.
* Don’t forget to follow best practices for updating and protecting your Windows system (see “Word to the wise” to right).
 
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Ma ovo je najjace:

EFI and BIOS

Macs use an ultra-modern industry standard technology called EFI to handle booting. Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in both centuries.

Ogromni LOL 😀
 
Dorry je napisao(la):
Ogromni LOL 😀

Sta bre LOL, ROFL 😀😀😀😀😀

Osecam da im je to Otelini napisao da napakosti M$ za sex sa AMD-om :d
 
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I jel probao neko win na mac-u, kako radi brze nego na pc-u or jok?
 
mixi je napisao(la):
I jel probao neko win na mac-u, kako radi brze nego na pc-u or jok?

Pa nema novih mekova kod nas...Bilo par komada samo. kada bude, ja cu prvi da se "iscimam" i da sve to probam, izvrtim testove i napisem kako izgleda i koliko je komplikovano instalirati XP i Vistu.
 
Lest you think the team at OnMac.net (you know, the crowd that brought us the original Windows-on-Mac bootloader) would pack it in now that Apple has moved into their turf with Boot Camp, they've come back with a new hack that allows Boot Camp to be used to triple boot your Mac. That's right: no longer are you limited to a mere two operating systems when you start your Mac. Now, you can have a choice of OS X, Windows XP and the Linux distro of your choice (they went with gentoo). Their solution for this turns out to be fairly straightforward: rather than attempting to hack Boot Camp, they've chained the lilo bootloader to run off of the Windows loader. So, Boot Camp still shows you just two options -- OS X and Windows XP -- but if you choose Windows, you then get a second set of choices, which lets you pick Linux or XP. Now that this is done, we're waiting for someone to go to four: we really want to be able to boot into OS/2 Warp, and we suspect the solution is just around the corner.
 
delimir je napisao(la):
Pa nema novih mekova kod nas...Bilo par komada samo. kada bude, ja cu prvi da se "iscimam" i da sve to probam, izvrtim testove i napisem kako izgleda i koliko je komplikovano instalirati XP i Vistu.

Evo da se ne mucis - Link
 
Pa sve zavisi sta ocekujes od takvih masina. Testirati iMac ili MacBook Pro u F.E.A.R. ili C.O.D. 2 je zanimljivo, ali ne pogadja metu... Npr. kod MacBook Pro je integrisani ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 sa 470MHz/470MHz downclockowan na 310MHz/278MHz po defaultu da bi masina bila sto je moguce hladnija i tiha... Masine rade i kada se pomocu Win ATT (postoji alatka kojom se oveklokuju ATI kartice i pod MacOS X) adapter "overklokuje" na 470/470, ali se rashladni sistem prilicno ubrza i primeti se buka. Znaci, nije bas da su u pitanju gaming masine...
 
delimir je napisao(la):
Pa sve zavisi sta ocekujes od takvih masina. Testirati iMac ili MacBook Pro u F.E.A.R. ili C.O.D. 2 je zanimljivo, ali ne pogadja metu... Npr. kod MacBook Pro je integrisani ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 sa 470MHz/470MHz downclockowan na 310MHz/278MHz po defaultu da bi masina bila sto je moguce hladnija i tiha... Masine rade i kada se pomocu Win ATT (postoji alatka kojom se oveklokuju ATI kartice i pod MacOS X) adapter "overklokuje" na 470/470, ali se rashladni sistem prilicno ubrza i primeti se buka. Znaci, nije bas da su u pitanju gaming masine...

Ma ne pricam ja o tome nego o zamerkama na kvalitet izrade i ergonomiju, jasno je za sta je ta masina namenjena ali skripanje tastature, ispadanje tastera i pregrevanje nisu stavke za pohvalu.
A da su mogli i neki 7600GS da stave za te pare mogli su.
 
Evo probao ja konacno 🙂

Setup:

Apple MacBook Pro 15", Intel Core Duo 2 GHz, 1024MB DDR2, Mobility Radeon X1600, HDD 100 GB, MacOS X 10.4.6 + Windows XP SP2

Cinebench 9.5...

MacOS X.......................................39 sec.
Windows XP SP2.............................41 sec.

PS: Windows prosto leti na ovoj masini, o MacOS X da ne pricam 🙂

BTW: Ne znam ko podmece price o skriputanju tastature i pregrevanju, ali ovaj MacBook Pro po kvalitetu izrade se ne razlikuje mnogo od mog PowerBook-a, a pri tome je i tanji za 0.5 cm (odokativno, nisam poredio specs). Sve sa tastaturom je u najboljem redu, a i Backlight radi savrseno + moze da se podesava intenzitet backlighta 🙂
 
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BTW: Athlon 64 3800+ NC, 1024 MB DDR400 @ 400 MHz, AIW X800GT...

Windows XP SP2......................................63 sec.
 
If CPU = A64 then povuci rucnu 😀
 
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