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Hoce li nVidia ubaciti podrshku za DDR5 memoriju u novi GPU? ATI je sa time napravio pravi bum. Rado bih u svoj komp ubo neki GeForce sa DDR5 memorijom:D:D
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Rumor: NVIDIA GT300 to have 256GB/s memory bandwidth

Some more rumors about the next-generation NVIDIA GT300 GPU were unearthed today. Bright Side of News writes the new chip will stick with a 512-bit memory controller, which will give the GT300 a memory bandwidth of at least 256GB/s:

512-bit GPU connected to 1-2 GB of GDDR5 memory at 1000 MHz QDR [Quad Data Rate]- we are looking at memory bandwidth of 256GB/s per single GPU, more than dual-GT200b GPU in the form of GeForce GTX295 [896-bit x 1GHz DDR = 224 GB/s]. That would be a conservative estimate, but given the development of GDDR5 memory, if the GT300 chip ends up connected to GDDR5 memory at 1050 or 1150 [alleged 5870/5870X2 clocks] - we are looking at memory bandwidth anywhere between 268.8-294.4 GB/s.

If overclocking-friendly vendors such as EVGA, BFG, Gainward or XFX overclock the cards to let's say 1180 ot 1200 MHz QDR [4.7-4.8 GigaTransfers/second, GT/s or "GHz"], first DirectX 11 GPUs will exceed 300GB/s of bandwidth per single GPU!
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Naravno. Treba to prebaciti na silicijum :)
 
A i Charliju se po pitanju nvidije bas moze verovati :p
 
A Fuad kaze da Charli prica gluposti :)

GT300 is a brand new thing
Written by Fuad Abazovic
Thursday, 07 May 2009 21:02



Think different in DirectX 11

We don't know many details, but we've heard that GT300 is a codename that Nvidia uses for its next generation. The GT300 is a new architecture, 40nm, and it supports DirectX 11. These are the only few facts that we can take for quite realistic at this point.


We’ve also heard that GT300 is a brand new architecture, and that it might be completely different compared to GT200. We suspect that the GT300 will be unique, but still just a muscled up and tweaked version of GT200. We don’t know this for a fact, and we are just thinking out loud.

The Q4 2009 launch date is quite realistic, and this card will be on time to welcome Windows 7 and ATI’s R800 high end two chip solution. The winter will definitely bring some thrills in the graphics world.
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hmmm...

"Think different in DirectX 11

We don't know many details, but we've heard that GT300 is a codename that Nvidia uses for its next generation. The GT300 is a new architecture, 40nm, and it supports DirectX 11. These are the only few facts that we can take for quite realistic at this point.


We’ve also heard that GT300 is a brand new architecture, and that it might be completely different compared to GT200. We suspect that the GT300 will be unique, but still just a muscled up and tweaked version of GT200. We don’t know this for a fact, and we are just thinking out loud.

The Q4 2009 launch date is quite realistic, and this card will be on time to welcome Windows 7 and ATI’s R800 high end two chip solution. The winter will definitely bring some thrills in the graphics world."

Sto je mnogo, mnogo je... i za Fuda ;)
 
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hmmm...

"Think different in DirectX 11

We don't know many details, but we've heard that GT300 is a codename that Nvidia uses for its next generation. The GT300 is a new architecture, 40nm, and it supports DirectX 11. These are the only few facts that we can take for quite realistic at this point.


We’ve also heard that GT300 is a brand new architecture, and that it might be completely different compared to GT200. We suspect that the GT300 will be unique, but still just a muscled up and tweaked version of GT200. We don’t know this for a fact, and we are just thinking out loud.

The Q4 2009 launch date is quite realistic, and this card will be on time to welcome Windows 7 and ATI’s R800 high end two chip solution. The winter will definitely bring some thrills in the graphics world."

Sto je mnogo, mnogo je... i za Fuda ;)
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To je normalno za Fuada :)
 
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hmmm...

"Think different in DirectX 11

We don't know many details, but we've heard that GT300 is a codename that Nvidia uses for its next generation. The GT300 is a new architecture, 40nm, and it supports DirectX 11. These are the only few facts that we can take for quite realistic at this point.


We’ve also heard that GT300 is a brand new architecture, and that it might be completely different compared to GT200. We suspect that the GT300 will be unique, but still just a muscled up and tweaked version of GT200. We don’t know this for a fact, and we are just thinking out loud.

The Q4 2009 launch date is quite realistic, and this card will be on time to welcome Windows 7 and ATI’s R800 high end two chip solution. The winter will definitely bring some thrills in the graphics world."

Sto je mnogo, mnogo je... i za Fuda ;)
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Za Charlija je ovo normalno :)

IT LOOKS LIKE Nvidia engineering is getting right back into its old fighting form once again. The GT300 chip is delayed until 2010, and the GT21x parts seem to be MIA.

The big news is of course the GT300 delay. A few weeks ago it was promising insiders parts in October, a goal that was laughably unrealistic given that the tapeout was set for June. It seems that realism might be poking it's head through the Santa Clara FUD, er... fog, and NV has told those who need to know that it will be Q1 2010 now. Given its timeliness of late, we think it should append a bold "Maybe...." to that though.

We are not sure if it is a delay to the tapeout, or a delay for said fog lifting, but I would bet on tapeout delay. In fact, if I were to shake the magic 8-ball of GPU futures very hard, I would bet that tapeout was delayed, and it is still not being realistic on time to market. That said, as of last week, sources deep inside big green had not gotten their GT300 themed tapeout party hats and related bonus materials (and one of these too).

That brings us to the GT215/216/218. They were set for about now earlier this year, then nothing. The silence is deafening. In fact, the silence is so deafening that Nvidia is jumping up and down talking about mobile 40nm parts now instead. We hear it is having massive 40nm yield problems, something you simply can't have for your intended high volume parts.

So, to change the subject, 40nm is all about mobile now! Ignore the fact that ATI has a very successful 40nm part out in the 4770 - Nvidia is telling OEMs to not position 9800 products against that because it can't match the price. The 40nm products that should compete with it are.... Mobile, did we mention Mobile?

We are hearing rumors of an editors day in mid-May, so the usual 2-week time line to introduction puts the 40nm launches at Computex. That means Nvidia won't have a competitive part in the meat of the market for almost all of Q2.

But all is not lost, we also hear Jen-Hsun is being tapped for a Hot Chips 21 keynote. That should be a morale booster for the green team, and if minor miracles happen, he might even have early silicon to show off. Given the rest of Nvidia's competitive situation, that will be the (singular) bright spot for Nvidia in the near future. µ
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Ko ce koga...

With the news that ATI delayed the RV870 part to 4Q'09, there are reasons why Santa Clara camp will be happy. GT300 is coming before the RV870, if TSMC does not mess up completely.

After the conference call last night, nVidia was feeling very confident that the company is on the right track... and there is a pretty good reason why. We spoke with several sources and they're quite optimistic that they will be able to release their DirectX 11 GPU ahead of ATI's RV870 chip.

According to a rumored report on Fudzilla, ATI allegedly decided to postpone their DirectX 11 until after the release of Windows 7, while our sources cited that recent rumors about slipping into 2010 were "blatant lies" and "written by a person that has no sense of reality". We will refrain from comments and we usually dislike it if a fellow journalist is being dissed, unless it is a person who invents things up. Charlie is usually known to be on target, but this goes against the information we know. But what is important is that according to our sources, GeForce GTX 300 series will be shipped in late 3Q 2009, targeting the Back-to-School period. We're not talking about a October-November frame, but rather August or September. Our sources were not wrong in the past, and we have no reason to believe otherwise. BUT - this is a rumor story. Until the silicon comes out, we won't know who's who.

Just like RV870, the reason why both companies have issues is TSMC's issues with the 40nm process, and this is a trump card for GlobalFoundries. Like any rumors, take them with a grain of salt. It is a common thing that competing manufacturers spread bad rumors about the competing company's part, but that is just the way how this game is played.
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http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/5/8/nvidia-first-to-market-with-a-directx-11-gpu.aspx
 
Mogu oni to da izbace skoro kad hoce, nego svako ceka ovog drugog prvi da se "izlane", a i treba rasprodati sve zalihe ove generacije.
 
According to a rumored report on Fudzilla, ATI allegedly decided to postpone their DirectX 11 until after the release of Windows 7, while our sources cited that recent rumors about slipping into 2010 were "blatant lies" and "written by a person that has no sense of reality". We will refrain from comments and we usually dislike it if a fellow journalist is being dissed, unless it is a person who invents things up. Charlie is usually known to be on target, but this goes against the information we know. But what is important is that according to our sources, GeForce GTX 300 series will be shipped in late 3Q 2009, targeting the Back-to-School period. We're not talking about a October-November frame, but rather August or September. Our sources were not wrong in the past, and we have no reason to believe otherwise. BUT - this is a rumor story. Until the silicon comes out, we won't know who's who.
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Jensen, Nvidia's CEO talks 40nm Print E-mail
Written by Fuad Abazovic
Monday, 11 May 2009 10:22

Three products in the works


Last week at Nvidia’s financial Q1 2010 (not a typo Ed.) Mr. Jensen Huang was asked about 40nm products and the one called GT300.


The first analyst who asked this question got the usual official line that the company doesn’t talk about future products and that the current line up is still great but the second one, managed to get a decent answer.

Jensen confirmed that 40nm is ramping aggressively and he said that Nvidia is the company that is probably ramping 40nm production much harder than anyone else on the market.

To our surprise he confirmed that they are ramping three products and this gives you an idea about what is going on with Nvidia’s 40nm. We would expect to see some news on 40nm at Computex, especially in mobile space but this is something that Nvidia is not ready to confirm.

Jensen also added that 40nm is very important node for both Nvidia and TSMC and that Nvidia got vast majority of TSMC’s 40nm productions.

As you can expect in this early phase of development, 40nm yields are improving by the week.[/
 
Jos glasina...

It looks like nVidia is dead set on calming the PR storm the competitors are releasing, and the mood in the company is more relaxed. nVidia is certain they have a winner on their hands, but only time will tell whether they managed to pull it through or not.

We already gave you details on the architectural side. GT300 or G300 or NV70 is consisted out of 512 cores [or Shader Processors, whatever you like], features a 512-bit memory controller connecting to GDDR5 memory and well, it is a beast. nVidia packed everything in around 2.4 billion transistors using TSMC's 40nm high-performance process [yes, the one with currently sucky yields]. Given that the original GT200 packed 240 shaders in 1.4 billion trannies, one could argue that nVidia did some heavy dieting on its own architecture and managed to get a body builder shader power in a size zero body. GT300 packs 512 MIMD-capable cores and yet it uses "just" one billion transistors extra. I'll be first to admit that I wondered how GT300 packs at least three billion transistors, but according to our highly confidential source, the 2.4 billion transistors are packed in just 495mm2.

Yes, you've read that correctly. 2.4 billion in less than 500mm2 will put sweat on both ATI and Intel's forehead, since this chip could be profitably manufactured and yet pack performance to potentially blew the competition out of the water. Each of original 65nm GT200 chips took 576mm2 of wafer space, while 55nm refresh GT206/GT200b eats up 490mm2.

In comparison, Intel's high-end Larrabee part is manufactured in 45nm and takes around 600mm2.

Now, if you are wondering why nVidia created a single-PCB GTX295, think again. This part is more than an engineering exercise - but let us put it in this perspective - if nVidia managed to put 2.4 billion transistors in less than 500mm2, with an interesting performance delta between GT200-GT300 in clock-per-clock comparison… we could say that Jen-Hsun definitely opened a can of whoop-ass on its competitors.
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http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/5/12/nvidias-gt300-is-smaller2c-faster-than-larrabee.aspx

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GT300 with about 2.4 billion transistors


In the past we exclusively reported about the GT300 several times and inter alia revealed that the chip will be equipped with 512 shader units and a 512 Bit wide memory interface.
Now we can give first details about the complexity and size of the chip in company with Bright Side Of News.

According to our information on hand, Nvidia's GT300 will have with 2.4 billion transistors only one billion more than the GT200, despite more than twice as many shader units. Relatively this is an increment of 70 per cent. Though the performance - as much as we want to tell you - will get past this amount. So we can also determine that Nvidia worked on the transistors' efficiency.

Assuming that the transistor density will be the same as the GT200's, what is just an approximate value, and the 40 nm technique keeps its promises, Nvidia with 2.4 billions would get to about 495 square millimeters. But we have information on hand that the GT300 is even smaller than the GT200b, which is smaller than 490 square millimeters.
So it will find its position somewhere in this region and therefore be definitely bigger than the Canadian performance chips, but not take up the size of a GT200, which is the largest graphic chip by now with 576 square millimeters.
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http://www.hardware-infos.com/news.php?news=2944&sprache=1
 
Ja se nadam da ce ponovo da pocnu da izlaze i neke igre koje podrazumevaju takav (i malo slabiji:)) hardver, ovako kao da se dzabe lozimo... Crysis i to je to. Nedostaje mi vreme kad smo pouzdano znali da nas za 6 meseci ceka nesto sasvim novo i ceo fazon lozenja na hardver je i te kako imao smisla.

Ok, mozete da kazete da nam treba zbog velikog monitora, AA i AF, ali nekako mi je bilo lepse da se radujem novom hardveru zbog desetina igara koje se spremaju.

Svejedno, jedva cekam da vidim koliko ce toga promeniti GT300...
 
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O bozee...Pa ni GTX 280 nije posteno namucen za svo ovo vreme i ne postoji igra koja koristi punu snagu najjace 295 kartice, a oni vec najavljuju novu sweriju.
 
Nemojte da se sad neko nađe prozvanim ali za ozbiljan gaming čak i na nezahtevnoj UE3 mašini u HD rezoluciji nebi škodilo više frejmova, na najbržim single kartama današnjice, kada krene masakr.
 
Ok, nek je to tako, ali sigurno nije to ono sto bi trebalo da gura pc gaming industriju napred. Sigurno nece svi da kazu "Trebalo bi nam vise frejmova u hd rezolucijama cak i u nezahtevnom....", nego ljudi ocekuju nove igre i to ne jednu u sto godina i plus ocekuju da to budu PC igre koje nisu osmisljene sa xbox-om ili playstation-om na umu, pa ucinjene zahtevnim uzasnim portovanjem. Onaj ko kupuje GT300 sigurno nece da kaze da igra WOW svaki dan i da mu je mnogo dobro. Ja sam uvek zeleo da imam sto bolji hardver i stvarno sam video veliko zadovoljstvo u tome samo kad pomislim na sve igre koje su izlazile, ali sad stvarno ne vidim na sta bi mislio pri kupovini kartice sa GT300. Mozda da pustim Crysis iz 2007. godine (koji mi je inace sluzio samo da ga vidim, igra me uzasno nervira) u 1920*1200 sa AA i AF i vidim ga sedamnaesti put...i sta onda? Nema ni jedne znacajne (u ovome o cemu pricamo) PC igre ni u najavi. Za ovu pricu su nebitni Starcraft, Diablo i novi MMO.

Nego, da ne sirimo previse, ipak je to druga tema. Samo sam hteo da kazem da mora da postoji veza izmedju novog hardvera i onoga cemu on sluzi. PC je po meni totalno van fokusa i mora hitno nesto da se uradi da bi GT300 i sve ostalo uopste imalo smisla...(ili je sve ok, ako je smisao u benchmarkovanju i uporedjivanu rezultata)
 
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Ok, nek je to tako, ali sigurno nije to ono sto bi trebalo da gura pc gaming industriju napred. Sigurno nece svi da kazu "Trebalo bi nam vise frejmova u hd rezolucijama cak i u nezahtevnom....", nego ljudi ocekuju nove igre i to ne jednu u sto godina i plus ocekuju da to budu PC igre koje nisu osmisljene sa xbox-om ili playstation-om na umu, pa ucinjene zahtevnim uzasnim portovanjem. Onaj ko kupuje GT300 sigurno nece da kaze da igra WOW svaki dan i da mu je mnogo dobro. Ja sam uvek zeleo da imam sto bolji hardver i stvarno sam video veliko zadovoljstvo u tome samo kad pomislim na sve igre koje su izlazile, ali sad stvarno ne vidim na sta bi mislio pri kupovini kartice sa GT300. Mozda da pustim Crysis iz 2007. godine (koji mi je inace sluzio samo da ga vidim, igra me uzasno nervira) u 1920*1200 sa AA i AF i vidim ga sedamnaesti put...i sta onda? Nema ni jedne znacajne (u ovome o cemu pricamo) PC igre ni u najavi. Za ovu pricu su nebitni Starcraft, Diablo i novi MMO.

Nego, da ne sirimo previse, ipak je to druga tema. Samo sam hteo da kazem da mora da postoji veza izmedju novog hardvera i onoga cemu on sluzi. PC je po meni totalno van fokusa i mora hitno nesto da se uradi da bi GT300 i sve ostalo uopste imalo smisla...(ili je sve ok, ako je smisao u benchmarkovanju i uporedjivanu rezultata)
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Kazes da je crysis iz 2007. godine, ali ako uzmemo u obzir kakav je ovaj gt300 ce biti prava karta za njega, pa kome treba neka kupi.A neki drugi naslovi kojima bi dobro dosla a koji su sada zahtevni ko kriza, su zahtevni samo zbog neoptimizovanosti tako da kupovati je zbog njih ima mnogo manje smisla, ali generalno od viska glava ne boli.;)
 
Khm, a da se vratimo na temu?

Mene lichno vishe interesuju "derivati" GT300 - tj. shta ce biti u performace segmentu (kao sada npr. GTS250) i koliko ce to da koshta. Mislim da ce sledecih nekoliko godina akcent biti na tome da sve igre na srednjoj klasi grafichkih rade u fullHD rezoluciji sa 4xAA, budzice se fizika, dok ce se grafika razvijati malo sporije i to ne zbog toga shto hardver nece moci da je gura vec zbog toga shto je obim posla pri razvoju igara postao mnogo veci za 3D dizajnere i programere.
 
Tačno je da softver kasni za hardverom ali tako je već neko vreme. Proizvođači hardvera imaju svoju utakmicu u kojoj je važno pobediti, a softver je samo jedan od zamajaca hardverske industrije. Ne bunite se kad vam je CPU overkill za aplikacije koje koristite? Stići će idTech5, UE4...a nešto treba da ih sačeka. Najzad i kartice u nižim klasama će omogućiti većoj populaciji da igra u višem kvalitetu aktuelne naslove. Ne znam koliko se vas seća vremena i "ekonomskog blagostanja" s početka devedesetih kada se sa softverski renderovanih mašina prelazilo na GLIDE ili OpenGL. Spuštali smo rezoluciju na 640x480, smanjivali detaljnost scene i isključivali "nepotrebne efekte" nebili podigli framerate na dovoljnu meru. Ne zaboravite aksiom: brzine i memorije nikad dosta!
 
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Obozavam njegove clanke :)

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137331/a-look-nvidia-gt300-architecture

THERE'S A LOT of fake news going around about the upcoming GPUish chip called the GT300. Let's clear some air on this Larrabee-lite architecture.

First of all, almost everything you have heard about the two upcoming DX11 architectures is wrong. There is a single source making up news, and second rate sites are parroting it left and right. The R870 news is laughably inaccurate, and the GT300 info is quite curious too. Either ATI figured out a way to break the laws of physics with memory speed and Nvidia managed to almost double its transistor density - do the math on purported numbers, they aren't even in the ballpark - or someone is blatantly making up numbers...
 
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Obozavam njegove clanke :)

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137331/a-look-nvidia-gt300-architecture

THERE'S A LOT of fake news going around about the upcoming GPUish chip called the GT300. Let's clear some air on this Larrabee-lite architecture.

First of all, almost everything you have heard about the two upcoming DX11 architectures is wrong. There is a single source making up news, and second rate sites are parroting it left and right. The R870 news is laughably inaccurate, and the GT300 info is quite curious too. Either ATI figured out a way to break the laws of physics with memory speed and Nvidia managed to almost double its transistor density - do the math on purported numbers, they aren't even in the ballpark - or someone is blatantly making up numbers...
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Nvidia-game over.:)
 
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