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I CCleanerom sam poobrisao, ali i i nakon toga, neke stranice jednostavno nece da otvori.
 
Ok, resio sam problem.
Sustina je bila da je npr. amazon.com otvarao na nacin da prikazuje samo tekst sa web stranice, a neki drugi site prikazivao normalno
Koristim nod32 i resenje sam nasao ovde:
http://support.eset.com/kb3126/
 
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Ne brini za Vuka. Navikao na win10 pa mu sad sve teško.

Nego da li postoje proverene informacije kada će FF zvanično omogućiti multiprocess svima, dakle i korisnicima koji koriste addone?

Inače ovaj novi quantum engine što imaju u planu zvuči baš zanimljivo.

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Meni je proradio e10 sa dva addona pocev od verzije 50. E sad, koja je dinamika, to nisam siguran. Na drugoj masini, e10 ne radi iako imam iste addonove. Vise detalja imas ovde:

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis#Schedule
https://www.arewee10syet.com/
 
Samo na jednoj masini se desava sledece:
FF i flash,tipa igras FB igre ili gledas neki video preko flash player-a,posle 20-tak minuta zapuca,bez upozorenja tipa "Flash crashed bla bla",ali zapuca tako da zvuk ide normalno dalje ali se slika smrzne... pogotovo ako je full screen je problem,jer moras sa alt+tab ili preko Task Man. da ubijas FF koji se "ubije" tek posle 15-tak sec kako si kliknuo na End proces...

Renistaliran flash,cist novi FF,najnoviji drajveri,komp nema gamadi... ako je bitno,i3-4160 na integrisanoj...
Ne znam sta vise osim Win reinstal...
 
Iskljuci smooth scrolling i/ili hardware acceleration, pa vidi kakvo je stanje.
 
ducka je napisao(la):
Ok, resio sam problem.
Sustina je bila da je npr. amazon.com otvarao na nacin da prikazuje samo tekst sa web stranice, a neki drugi site prikazivao normalno
Koristim nod32 i resenje sam nasao ovde:
http://support.eset.com/kb3126/
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To je direktno povezano sa onim exploitom sa prosle strane i njemu slicnim. Fora je u tom sto tehnologije koje bi trebale da nas zastite na webu su suplje, pogotovo sto mnogi traze exploite u kodu (koji nikad nije savrsen). Zbog toga se desavaju takozvani man in the middle napadi gde se kroz rupu u kodu tehnologije koja obezbedjuje ekripciju (sifrovanje) komunikacije izmedju servera i klijenta, uvuce maliciozni kod. Nekad se verovalo da ukoliko je saobracaj enkriptovan nema problema, ali to vise nije tako. Podvale se sertifikati, imitira tudji websajt, linkuje se naizgled identican sadrzaj, ali se ubace maliciozni programi u taj sadrzaj. Zbog toga su antivirus i security kompanije odlucile da one preuzmu taj deo oko zastite saobracaja, sto ne funkcionise uvek lepo sa tehnologijama koje se nalaze u browseru, zbog cega se desavaju problemi poput tog koji si imao.
 
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Nego da li postoje proverene informacije kada će FF zvanično omogućiti multiprocess svima, dakle i korisnicima koji koriste addone?

Inače ovaj novi quantum engine što imaju u planu zvuči baš zanimljivo.
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Multiprocess i mnogo toga novog ce stici u narednim apdejtima kao deo implementacije nadogradnje Gecko enginea tj. takozvani project Quantum.
 
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Multiprocess i mnogo toga novog ce stici u narednim apdejtima kao deo implementacije nadogradnje Gecko enginea tj. takozvani project Quantum.
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Pa mislim to svi znamo. Logično da će doći u "narednim updateima", s tim što sam siguran da neće čekati quantum za određene stvari, tipa e10

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Ja koristim Cyberfox Intel x64 verzija. Od svih Gecko pregledača, ovaj mi najbolji :).
 
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Godinama nisam drzao dark temu i malopre slucajno isprobah ovu.

Odlicna! A sto je najjace, primetno zivahnije-brze mi otvara stranice nego default tema. Manje zahtevna nego defaultna?! :D
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Nisam primetio ubrzanje ali tema mi bas odgovara..
Inace sam se smorio koliko WF ume da laguje cim otvorim malo vise tabova, mozda je i do hdd-a mada je black ali ipak mator.. videcu kad uzmem ssd ali za sada Chrome radi brze mada ne mogu ozbiljno da ga koristim jer sam odavno navikao na FF/WF i opremio ih dodacima.
 
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posle istaliranja novog sistema kada sam hteo da odradim sinhronizaciju mozzile nisam upeo par puta,promenio sifru i ulogovao se ali nije mi vratila history,tabove i ostalo... sada sam ulogovan ali nema nista od pre,nisam pravio nikakve kopije pre brisanja sistema
 
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To je direktno povezano sa onim exploitom sa prosle strane i njemu slicnim. Fora je u tom sto tehnologije koje bi trebale da nas zastite na webu su suplje, pogotovo sto mnogi traze exploite u kodu (koji nikad nije savrsen). Zbog toga se desavaju takozvani man in the middle napadi gde se kroz rupu u kodu tehnologije koja obezbedjuje ekripciju (sifrovanje) komunikacije izmedju servera i klijenta, uvuce maliciozni kod. Nekad se verovalo da ukoliko je saobracaj enkriptovan nema problema, ali to vise nije tako. Podvale se sertifikati, imitira tudji websajt, linkuje se naizgled identican sadrzaj, ali se ubace maliciozni programi u taj sadrzaj. Zbog toga su antivirus i security kompanije odlucile da one preuzmu taj deo oko zastite saobracaja, sto ne funkcionise uvek lepo sa tehnologijama koje se nalaze u browseru, zbog cega se desavaju problemi poput tog koji si imao.
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Hvala ti na odgovoru. I šta bi ja trebalo da uradim?
 
Mozes koristiti taj full security suite i pouzdati se u njihovo filtriranje potencijalnih pretnji, mada ce biti konflikata sa browserom kao sto si primetio.

Pravo resenje problema je da se saceka. Windows je procesu tranzicije, desetka forsira UWP aplikacije koje moraju postovati strozija pravila, po nekom nepisanom pravilu radjene su u C# programskom jeziku koji je daleko bezbedniji alat u rukama programera. Vecina problema i sigurnosnih rupa su rezultat propusta u kodiranju, jezici koji su korisceni za pisanje win32 legacy aplikacija pa i starijih Windowsa (C/C++) dozvoljavaju potpunu slobodu programerima i omogucavaju pisanje naizgled funkcionalnog softvera koji svakog momenta moze da prolupa i napravi haos. Zbog toga je sve suplje. Supalj je Firefox, supalj je openssl (biblioteka koju koristi secure http iliti https), supalj je operativni, drajveri, ma sve. Dok se sve to ne napise ponovo, prema novim pravilima, radjeno bezbednijim alatima proci ce neko vreme. Tada ce biti manje potencijalnih sigurnosnih propusta, samim i manje straha od malware-a.

Na primer, Android OS je dizajniran da bude poprilicno siguran. Ali je vremenom Chrome Browser poceo da pusta pipke po Androidu. Chrome Browser je krajnje nebezbedan, jer je zasnovan na tehnologiji Webkit koja je prva meta na takmicenjima hakera kada trebaju za sto krace vreme hakovati sistem. Jedina rupa u novom Playstationu je browser, isto baziran na webkitu.

Mozilla je u procesu prepisivanja delova Firefoxa sigurnijim kodom.
 
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Samo na jednoj masini se desava sledece:
FF i flash,tipa igras FB igre ili gledas neki video preko flash player-a,posle 20-tak minuta zapuca,bez upozorenja tipa "Flash crashed bla bla",ali zapuca tako da zvuk ide normalno dalje ali se slika smrzne... pogotovo ako je full screen je problem,jer moras sa alt+tab ili preko Task Man. da ubijas FF koji se "ubije" tek posle 15-tak sec kako si kliknuo na End proces...

Renistaliran flash,cist novi FF,najnoviji drajveri,komp nema gamadi... ako je bitno,i3-4160 na integrisanoj...
Ne znam sta vise osim Win reinstal...
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Nije resenje problema ali pruza uvid u situaciju u kojoj se nalazi flash tehnologija:
KENT: So Brendan, that's like a whole bunch of really cool stuff you just said. One thing you mentioned that Flash has so many vulnerabilities that if you got a dollar every time you'd be a billionaire. (laughs) So I'm curious why that is. What is it about Flash that makes it so consistently vulnerable, and is there any chance like, the web keeps adding more APIs, giving you more power as a web developer, is there any chance that we could see our browsers being just as vulnerable and dangerous as Flash was?

BRENDAN: You know, I don't wanna pick on Flash. Browsers have vulnerabilities. Any significant code base is going to have vulnerabilities. It's kind of a truism. It's a scientific fact, really, mathematical. I was watching a talk by Sergey Bratus, and he said this is a consequence of, you know, sort of undecideability, the Turing and Church developed David Hilbert's 10th problem, which was, Hilbert said, I think it was, "Can you make a mathematical system for solving certain kinds of equations?" and this led to the general idea of "Can you make a computer that can look at a program and decide whether it halts?" The halting problem. And Turing proved you cannot. And this has serious consequences, including we cannot statically analyze our code and find all the bugs. So we have to test it at run time. Stack analyses is good. It's additive and complementary. I still find fuzz testing where you generate travesty inputs and feed them to programs is more productive than static analysis, but you want both. When people learn this sometimes they're, if they are far seen they realize this means security will be a job forever. (laughs) It means you cannot hope for a day that comes when we suddenly fix the last remote code execution vulnerability and we're done. Because living code always changes, and changing code needs testing, because you cannot statically find all the bugs.

So I don't wanna pick on Flash too much, except now I'm gonna pick on it, because it really has gone sour, too. And the reason I think, Steve Jobs killed Flash but he did it with some fist of the North Star super punch that caused Flash to become a zombie that's been lurching around, eating people's brains ever since, and eating my computer's brain until I turned it off the other year. (Kent laughs) Steve Jobs, two of his greatest contributions in my opinion are thoughts on music, where he said no to DRM and thoughts on Flash, where he said basically, "Flash is like this other runtime, and we already have our own web browser. We already have Safari Webkit. We don't need Flash, and Flash is just gonna suck power and be a second class citizen." And I think he was right. I mean people said he was unfair and there were things he said in the blog post that weren't true, like he said, "Flash is based on older code." It's like wait a minute, iOS, Mac OS are based on BSD Unix and the Mach Project from CNU from the early '90s or whenever. There's a lot of old code in Apple software, but the age isn't the thing. It's whether it's living code that's been brought forward. And the problem with Flash, I think, it was a single vendor that had its day and did really innovate with Flash, truly innovated ahead of the web, because the web was being monopolized by Microsoft.

So while we were trying to do Firefox and take back the web, and we did succeed in that, Macromedia was charging ahead with Flash and they did a bunch of cool stuff. They even picked up a version of JavaScript that was designed on paper but never implemented outside of Microsoft's system called JS2. This was the original ES4. It never got through the standards body because ECMA was mothballed in 2003 due to the IE sort of nuclear winter, the IE monopoly. But the Macromedia guys picked it up, and they already had a language based on JavaScript called ActionScript, you know 1 and 2. I think 2 added a few other things on top of 1, might have added some kind of class, I forget. And then ActionScript 3 was the big one where they took these ideas from Wadimore Horwat, who I gave the keys to the kingdom to when I was at Netscape when I went to do Mozilla after I had standardized the first version of JavaScript. And Wadimore was very smart, and he said, "I'm gonna make a big JS2 that's gonna be like the next version that'll have classes, and packages, and namespaces, and all sorts of stuff." Some of that we then tried to also dust off for ES4. And that's why we partnered, when I was at Mozilla with Macromedia, got bought by Adobe. So Flash had this arc where it was doing well, it was innovating, and they did Flex. I don't know if you remember that, XML markup for building apps, rich apps, and you could write ActionScript when you needed to, but you could do a lot with the Flex. That was all cool. And it was a single vendor, so to the extent that they worked diligently and they used fuzz testing and stack analysis, they could've kept ahead of their security bugs. But I think it's hard, because they were closed source and they were single vendor for them to do that. And after Steve Jobs' thoughts on Flash and it was clear that it was not going onto iOS, Adobe had a real problem.

I'll tell a story about this. When I was at Mozilla, we were still facing this hard problem of getting Flash working right on mobile. And the only way I think that at that point Adobe was doing Flash on mobile was on Android. Android was not like Lollipop or (mumbles) or whatever. It was pretty old, and it had this terrible Webkit version. This was like Gingerbread or even earlier. But they had Flash. And Google had thrown engineers at Adobe doing things like the Pepper API plugin version of Flash. This was like a better plugin API. And so there was a meeting, it was a very weird meeting. It was like we were stuck at Mozilla thinking, "How are we gonna get Flash working on mobile? If we're trying to get on Android and there's still a lot of Flash content," which there was then, this was 2011 I believe, "how are we gonna do it?" And we went to Adobe, and we said, "Can we get a really good Flash embedding going for the Mozilla engine, Gecko?" And they said, "Why don't you just use Pepper?" And we said, "We can't really use Pepper because that's like using Chromium, so we'd have to get rid of Gecko or do some kind of a mash up between the two and it would be a lot of work. And we'd rather just take the Flash that we have in Gecko and make it better. Why don't we do that?" And the Adobe people were like, "We feel like we're children whose parents are fighting, and we don't like it. Why can't you just get along with Google? I'll help you get on the phone with somebody at Google," who I happened to know already. And I said, "Look, I'm here to meet with you, not with Google. Why are you talking about Google all the time?" And they were doing this sort of, "Why can't Mom and Dad get along?" And Mozilla is a lot smaller than Google. It was a very strange meeting.

What followed in two days, I kid you not, was they said, "Oh, never mind. We're dropping Flash on mobile," and by mobile, they meant Android, because Steve Jobs had already killed it on iOS, which means it's not gonna be on mobile. If it's not on the shiny, best mobile device, it's not worth putting Android. And Adobe threw in the towel. And that was 2011. But, Flash still on the web, especially on what you see on your big screens, your laptop and desktop. It's still used for ads that were created within the last six years, sometimes five years ago but they're still being sold. In New York, there's somebody, a media buyer is out there looking for space to fill with ads and they have some Flash ads that promote some product that's still on the market. Flash ads are still trending up last I heard from a friend at Microsoft. I think this might be out of date now, I hope it is, but two years ago and then a year ago I heard that they were seeing in Microsoft Edge a rising tide of Flash ads. My solution with Brave is to block those. And I think nobody really needs Flash ads, but this is why Flash lives. It's like a zombie. The reason it's lingering is sort of bad legacy. And since Adobe kind of walked from it and did Creative Cloud and went to a subscription model and said, "We're a services company and software as a service, and then platform as a service or omniture," whatever, there's no incentive for them to really lean into Flash and do all that fuzz testing and all that hard work figuring out deep in the actual virtual machine or in the C++ code why there's a memory safety bug that can allow remote code execution. So Flash is just a sort of toxic, (laughs) brain-eating, vomiting zombie.
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Covek koji je ovo napisao je osnivac Mozille, kreator JavaScripta, otac modernog interneta. Ukratko receno, ako imas problem sa Flashom, bojim se da nema ko da ti pomogne. Flash je napusten od strane svih, ostavljen na otpadu da umre.
 
Posle silnih godina na FF presao na Operu pored koje se FF vuce kao prebijena macka...

Nadam se da ce srediti,navika je cudo...
 
I ja sam razmišljao da počnem da više koristim Operu, ali sam onda pročitao da su je kupili Kinezi... A to mi ne deluje baš kul ;)
 
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Posle silnih godina na FF presao na Operu pored koje se FF vuce kao prebijena macka...

Nadam se da ce srediti,navika je cudo...
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Cini ti se. Kada napunis browser kolacicima i kesiranim podacima vuce se svaki.
 
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Kada napunis browser kolacicima i kesiranim podacima vuce se svaki.
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Pa valjda je covek naucio da ima tamo neko stelovanje (na forumu je od 2008)a ima i ono istorija (ja vucem klasicni meni) klikne se povremeno na to i sve oznaci i potvrdi da zbrise. Nema kolacica, nema cache, nema passworda...
Ponekad treba uraditi backup bookmarka i dodataka pa lepo zbrisati sa kompa sve sto je Mozilla i onda jedna glanc friska instalacja i vratis bookmark i instaliras friske dodatke i leti FF ko lud. :)
 
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Cini ti se. Kada napunis browser kolacicima i kesiranim podacima vuce se svaki.
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Sto ne znaci da FF/WF prosto moraju da rade brze i sa manje laga.
Ipak hromi pretrazivac radi najbolje ali ne mogu da batalim FF(WF) posle 10-ak godina. Opera otpada.
 
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Ponekad treba uraditi backup bookmarka i dodataka pa lepo zbrisati sa kompa sve sto je Mozilla i onda jedna glanc friska instalacja i vratis bookmark i instaliras friske dodatke i leti FF ko lud. :)
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Ta opcija postoji ugrađena u FF: pritisneš hamburger dugme > ? > Troubleshooting Information > Refresh Firefox
 
Drugari Firefox mi se vuce ko slina u zadnje vreme, stalno nesto koci kad otvaram slike pogotov.
Sta od ovoga moze da pravi probleme?
Komp radi perfektno, kad upalim Chrome radi kao zmaj, ali navika mi je FF vec preko 10 godina.
 

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Drugari Firefox mi se vuce ko slina u zadnje vreme, stalno nesto koci kad otvaram slike pogotov.
Sta od ovoga moze da pravi probleme?
Komp radi perfektno, kad upalim Chrome radi kao zmaj, ali navika mi je FF vec preko 10 godina.
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Probaj 64-bitni Firefox.
 
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