Napajanja, adapteri i konektori za Nvidia RTX 4000
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Asus ROG LOKI SFX-L izlazi za 11 dana u nemackoj, vec ima cena za pre-order (individualno sleeve-ovani kablovi).
750W i 850W su extremno tihi do i ukljucujuci 850W. Komotno mogu da se teraju na ~840W, bez problema (samo da izdrze skokove AIB karata (FE stock Nvidia navodno su "ispeglane", cekaju se testovi za ovo).
Thermaltake GF3 1650W je jedino za sad koje ima 2 ulaza za 12+4 pin nove kablove.
Kabl za Corsair napajanja, i sva napajanja koja koriste Corsair Type 4 standard dostupno za porucivanje, lepse, sa individualno sleeve-ovanim kabl-ovima stizu uskoro da se kupe (kao na slici ispod samo broj zica i konektori sa linka iznad, razne boje naravno).
750W i 850W su extremno tihi do i ukljucujuci 850W. Komotno mogu da se teraju na ~840W, bez problema (samo da izdrze skokove AIB karata (FE stock Nvidia navodno su "ispeglane", cekaju se testovi za ovo).
Thermaltake GF3 1650W je jedino za sad koje ima 2 ulaza za 12+4 pin nove kablove.
Kabl za Corsair napajanja, i sva napajanja koja koriste Corsair Type 4 standard dostupno za porucivanje, lepse, sa individualno sleeve-ovanim kabl-ovima stizu uskoro da se kupe (kao na slici ispod samo broj zica i konektori sa linka iznad, razne boje naravno).
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https://www.fsplifestyle.com/PROP162000381/ imam ovo napajanje kontam uz neki dobar adapter da ce to biti ok za 4080 16gb...
Mozda da, mozda ne, zavisi od AIB-a (Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, Zotac, itd). Samo Nvidia FE kartice su navodno ispeglane da nemaju skokove. A i to je pitanje koliko, moram da sacekamo Intel/Aris test-ove.
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Do I need to upgrade my PSU for the RTX 40 Series?
The RTX 40 Series doesn’t require a new power supply if you already meet the PSU wattage recommendations. The RTX 4090 TGP is 450 W and the minimum recommended PSU is 850 W. The 4080 16GB TGP is 320 W with a minimum recommended power supply of 750W, and the minimum recommended power supply for the 4080 12GB is 700W.
How do GeForce RTX 4090 and 4080 power requirements compare to last generation?
The power requirements have stayed the same or reduced while delivering substantially more performance. RTX 4090 draws the same power as RTX 3090 Ti, the RTX 4080 16GB draws 30W less than RTX 3080 Ti, and the RTX 4080 12GB draws 65W less power than RTX 3080 12GB.
Do the RTX 40 Series cards require a new type of power connector or a new power cable?
No. The RTX 40 Series cards come with power adapters that allow you to use existing power supplies with existing 8-pin PCIe connectors. The RTX 40 Series cards can also use the PCIe Gen5 power connector which allows you to power the graphics card with a single cable.
If the RTX 40 Series cards can use the existing connectors and power supplies, then why change to a new connector standard?
The PCIe Gen5 power connector is the new standard for PCIe add-in-card power. The standard allows you to power the graphics card with a single cable, which simplifies cable routing and improves airflow inside the chassis, among other benefits.
PCI-SIG warned of potential overcurrent/overpower risk with 12VHPWR connectors using non-ATX 3.0 PSU & Gen 5 adapter plugs. Why did PCI-SIG issue the warning and how does this affect NVIDIA’s new products?
It does not affect NVIDIA’s new products. During early development and testing we identified a potential issue with a prototype connector manufactured from a sole supplier. As a PCI-SIG member, we informed the supplier, asked them to fix it (which they did), and shared our findings to help suppliers who are implementing the new standard. The PCI-SIG was passing along those learnings to other suppliers.
Why is there only a 30 cycle lifetime on these new PCIe Gen 5 connectors?
The 30 cycle spec is the same as it’s been for the last 20+ years on existing PCIe/ATX 8pin connectors, and has not changed with the PCIe Gen5 connectors or power adapters.
Are the RTX 40 Series Adapters “smart” enough to interface with a ATX 2.0 PSU and appropriately regulate the power to the GPU?
Yes. The adapter has active circuits inside that translate the 8-pin plug status to the correct sideband signals according to the PCIe Gen 5 (ATX 3.0) spec.
What’s a ‘smart’ power adapter?
The adapter has an active circuit that detects and reports the power capacity to the graphics card based on the number of 8-pin connectors plugged in. This enables the RTX 4090 to increase the power headroom for overclocking when 4x 8-pin connectors are used versus 3x 8-pin connectors.
If I bend the RTX 40 Series adapter will it cause issues with the connection between my PSU and GPU?
The adapter has been proven to work in a wide variety of conditions. Please follow our compatibility diagram: plan a minimum of 1.4” or 36mm clearance above the top of the graphics card for cable bend and airflow clearance.
Should I be concerned if my PSU only has one power rail available to connect my graphics card (i.e. only have 1 power connection available)?
Please connect the original power supply output connectors and cables directly to the included power adapter. Power supplies typically only supply up to 2x 8pin PCIe connectors per output cable. RTX 4090 and RTX 4080 16GB require at least 3x 8pin PCIe connectors or a 450W or greater PCIe Gen 5 connector.
The RTX 40 Series doesn’t require a new power supply if you already meet the PSU wattage recommendations. The RTX 4090 TGP is 450 W and the minimum recommended PSU is 850 W. The 4080 16GB TGP is 320 W with a minimum recommended power supply of 750W, and the minimum recommended power supply for the 4080 12GB is 700W.
How do GeForce RTX 4090 and 4080 power requirements compare to last generation?
The power requirements have stayed the same or reduced while delivering substantially more performance. RTX 4090 draws the same power as RTX 3090 Ti, the RTX 4080 16GB draws 30W less than RTX 3080 Ti, and the RTX 4080 12GB draws 65W less power than RTX 3080 12GB.
Do the RTX 40 Series cards require a new type of power connector or a new power cable?
No. The RTX 40 Series cards come with power adapters that allow you to use existing power supplies with existing 8-pin PCIe connectors. The RTX 40 Series cards can also use the PCIe Gen5 power connector which allows you to power the graphics card with a single cable.
If the RTX 40 Series cards can use the existing connectors and power supplies, then why change to a new connector standard?
The PCIe Gen5 power connector is the new standard for PCIe add-in-card power. The standard allows you to power the graphics card with a single cable, which simplifies cable routing and improves airflow inside the chassis, among other benefits.
PCI-SIG warned of potential overcurrent/overpower risk with 12VHPWR connectors using non-ATX 3.0 PSU & Gen 5 adapter plugs. Why did PCI-SIG issue the warning and how does this affect NVIDIA’s new products?
It does not affect NVIDIA’s new products. During early development and testing we identified a potential issue with a prototype connector manufactured from a sole supplier. As a PCI-SIG member, we informed the supplier, asked them to fix it (which they did), and shared our findings to help suppliers who are implementing the new standard. The PCI-SIG was passing along those learnings to other suppliers.
Why is there only a 30 cycle lifetime on these new PCIe Gen 5 connectors?
The 30 cycle spec is the same as it’s been for the last 20+ years on existing PCIe/ATX 8pin connectors, and has not changed with the PCIe Gen5 connectors or power adapters.
Are the RTX 40 Series Adapters “smart” enough to interface with a ATX 2.0 PSU and appropriately regulate the power to the GPU?
Yes. The adapter has active circuits inside that translate the 8-pin plug status to the correct sideband signals according to the PCIe Gen 5 (ATX 3.0) spec.
What’s a ‘smart’ power adapter?
The adapter has an active circuit that detects and reports the power capacity to the graphics card based on the number of 8-pin connectors plugged in. This enables the RTX 4090 to increase the power headroom for overclocking when 4x 8-pin connectors are used versus 3x 8-pin connectors.
If I bend the RTX 40 Series adapter will it cause issues with the connection between my PSU and GPU?
The adapter has been proven to work in a wide variety of conditions. Please follow our compatibility diagram: plan a minimum of 1.4” or 36mm clearance above the top of the graphics card for cable bend and airflow clearance.
Should I be concerned if my PSU only has one power rail available to connect my graphics card (i.e. only have 1 power connection available)?
Please connect the original power supply output connectors and cables directly to the included power adapter. Power supplies typically only supply up to 2x 8pin PCIe connectors per output cable. RTX 4090 and RTX 4080 16GB require at least 3x 8pin PCIe connectors or a 450W or greater PCIe Gen 5 connector.
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FSP je predstavio nova napajanja sa ATX 3.0 standardom:
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^ 12.10 izlazi prodaja kartica a tek u decembru nova napajanja. Zato im ne prolazi fora da neće kartice moći raditi na 2.0 napajanjima. Poenta je samo koristiti barem gold napajanje sa preporucenom snagom koju je proizvođač naveo.
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Da, 850W i jače, baš kao i u tabeli, uz grafičke će se isporučivati adapter. Nisam video da se Corsair i Seasonic žure da predstave nova napajanja.
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^ ne zure jer će adapteri rešiti problem ove generacije. Možda 50x0 će izlaziti bez adaptera. Malo je glupavo da menjamo napajanja a posebno sto sva imaju garancije od 5-10god i obično rade posle garancije još 5god. Ja sam imao cooler master UCP 1100w koje sam uzeo 2009 godine i dalje radi kod kolege koji tera 3080 suprime x na njemu.
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Koja je ovo nova fora sa adapterima sto daju uz 4000 seriju,JaytwoCents ima video o tome da adapter koji dolazi uz 4000 seriju pored 12pina ima i neka 4 pina ispod za komunikaciju sa napajanjem (3.0),koliko vidim sve 4000 serije imaju na portu ta 4 pina dole ispod ali 2.0 napajanja ga nemaju samo 3.0,ja dobih uz novi Seasonic TX 2.0 Seasonicov adapter i sta na primer ako uzmem 4090, seasonic adapter ne mogu da koristim jer ima samo dve grane ka 2.0 psu,ok Msi recimo daje adapter sa 4x6+2 nastavka al koja je fora sa tim sto 2.0 psu nema ta 4pina za komunikaciju sa gpu,jel toliko problem to,jel upoznat neko
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^ nvidia je rekla da nema potrebe za menjanjem napajanja. Samo da se drži preporučene snage napajanja kako je proizvođač deklarisao. Takav isti konektor imaš na 3090 ti i normalno radi sa napajanjem, takođe je adapter isti. Zumiraj i pogledaj na slici da je identičan.
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Vec ima 3 napajanja dostupna za kupovinu koja prolaze sve standarde (ATX 3.0 + PCIE 5 + 200% PE).
Silverstone Hela 850R (ista platforma ko Fractal Design Ion+ 2), testirano od strane Intel-a
Corsair HXi 2022, testirano od strane Intel-a, ali zahteva da se dokupi kabl
Thermaltake GF3 750W, testirano od strane Aris-a
Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 750W ATX v3.0 PSU Review - Hardware Busters
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Nema Potrebe za FE, ne garantuju da nece biti potrebo za nekom od drugog proizvodjaca, ako po default-u radi jace od 450W (overclock negde blize 3GHz)
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pin-ovi ti dodatni nisu pametni/digitalni, jako lako se prevare, samo ih prespojis, stavis na masu, uzemljenje, i imas 600W kabl/adapter. Samo je pitanje da li konkretno napajanje ce da izdrzi Power Eksurzije od svake graficke ponaosob, da se ne ugasi.
Takodje nazalost ATX 3.0 takodje ne znaci da napajanje podrzava nove graficke, za to su zaduzeni PCIE 5 i 200% PE standardi/testovi oznake, kao dopuna. Intel je ostavio velik luft proizvodjacima da biraju kako i sta ce ugraditi, kako i sta ce odraditi, i kako i sta ce izreklamirati.
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^ zato sam i napisao koliko sam upućen, ali nema potrebe uzimati nova napajanja kad je nvidia rekla da ne mora 3.0 nego da se korisnici pridržavaju preporuke od proizvođača. Na primer kod Asusa za 4080 sa 16gb 750w dok kod 4090 1000w.
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Dobra stvarčica.
Sad ce valjda i Thermalright da uleti sa jeftinijim, i pokopa der8auer-a. Nekad imam osecaj kao da imaju rivalstvo, da su opsednuti njime 😅
Pogotovo sto ce se najverovatnije pojaviti u domacoj prodavnici sto ima sve Thermal Grizzly stvarcice
@Gulftown der8aur-ov adapter + Corsair kabl sto ide na sva njihova novija napajanja (bilo obican/bilo novi fensi sto stize i bice milina za cable-management (pogotovo sto je za pojedinacno sleevovane raznobojne Jonnyguru rekao da ce stvarno biti kurslus ako se previse levo desno cimaju kablovi kod 12+4 konektora u SFF kucistima 😅 ) pri velikom protoku struje, overclock-u, na 30+ stepeni sobe vazduha i slicno.
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Oko adaptera sto dolaze uz kartice to su pametni adapteri. U slucaju da napajanje ima samo 3x8pin graficka ce raditi ali ograniceno do 425w, ako ima 4x8pin onda ce moci OC i ice preko 500w. Tako da nema potrebe za menjanjem napajanja 2god ko ce uzimati 4000 seriju. Jedio estetski ce biti ruznije.
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Ako se dobro sećam, podržaće do 600W...bar je tako na Silverstone Hela koje ima 600W 12VHPWR.
Ne znam da li je strogo definisana gornja granica, ustvari...
Oba Corsair kabl-a su glupi kablovi, nema nikakve elektronike/load balancing, samo prespojeni sense pin-ovi na uzemljenje/masu. Tako su i Silverstone Hela kablovi, tako su i kablovi na Thermaltake GF3 750W (iako ce se gasiti sa 4090-om, posto ne moze realno da je odradi 750w model uz jaci procesor).
Nvidia je rekla Jonnyguru-u, za Corsair kabl-ove (sto vazi isto za druge), da ce samo da se gase, ako napajanje ne moze da izdrzi da dostavi struju preko kabla. Ovo sto radi adapter na 4090 FE je kao kod EVGA 3090 Ti adaptera, samo za tu kartu i taj adapter specijalno optimizovano.
Cak ne znaci da ce adapteri sa AIB kartama da se ponasaju isto, videcemo danas u 15:01h po nasem vremenu.
Na primer sa druge strane novcica, Jonnyguru je rekao da je glavni guidance za kablove bio da proizvodjaci napajanja mogu da dobiju gotov kabl od samo jedne firme, koju je Nvidia-a ovlastila da to radi, i na nacin na koji Nvidia je htela. I nisu mogli nista da menjaju pre nego sto ga dobiju. Seasonic i Corsair imaju dobre ugovore sa svojom kabl fabrikom/firmama. i zato lupili kontru odmah u startu i kablove poslali svojim saradnicima, koji su skinuli 12+4 na ulazu za napajanje, razdvojili zice i dodali 2x8-pin stara, i poslali modifikovane kablove nazad Corsair-u da ne moraju da dodaju novi ulaz u napajanje odmah, i da mogu da imaju jednostavnu podrsku i za stara napajanja u prelaznom periodu.
Nvidia je rekla Jonnyguru-u, za Corsair kabl-ove (sto vazi isto za druge), da ce samo da se gase, ako napajanje ne moze da izdrzi da dostavi struju preko kabla. Ovo sto radi adapter na 4090 FE je kao kod EVGA 3090 Ti adaptera, samo za tu kartu i taj adapter specijalno optimizovano.
Cak ne znaci da ce adapteri sa AIB kartama da se ponasaju isto, videcemo danas u 15:01h po nasem vremenu.
Na primer sa druge strane novcica, Jonnyguru je rekao da je glavni guidance za kablove bio da proizvodjaci napajanja mogu da dobiju gotov kabl od samo jedne firme, koju je Nvidia-a ovlastila da to radi, i na nacin na koji Nvidia je htela. I nisu mogli nista da menjaju pre nego sto ga dobiju. Seasonic i Corsair imaju dobre ugovore sa svojom kabl fabrikom/firmama. i zato lupili kontru odmah u startu i kablove poslali svojim saradnicima, koji su skinuli 12+4 na ulazu za napajanje, razdvojili zice i dodali 2x8-pin stara, i poslali modifikovane kablove nazad Corsair-u da ne moraju da dodaju novi ulaz u napajanje odmah, i da mogu da imaju jednostavnu podrsku i za stara napajanja u prelaznom periodu.
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Pošto sada sastavljam novu knofiguraciju nešto razmišljam da bi ovaj Thermaltake od 1200 W bio ok izgleda da nije ni toliko skup bad na trulom zapadu..čini mii se da je Thermaltake ovog puta napravio dobro napajanje, a da ustom ne deru kožu sa leđa....
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Pretpostavljam da će svi optimizovati adaptere kao sto si naveo za 3090ti
Objasnih generalno konfliktne/konfuzne izjave od youtubera/reviewer-a koje sam procitao juce i upravo pre manje od sat vremena Jonnyguru rekao/potvrdio, da je sve netacno, da nema nista pametno u adapterima 😅, Vec je poslao poruku Nvidiji, i na zajednickom email chain-u Youtuberima/reviewer-ima, da nisu lepo objasnili situaciju juce 😅
3x8-pin kabl-a u adapteru su dovoljna, 4-ti je za OC (kao sto je Zotac rekao). Nema nista pametno u adapteru, niti kablu niti napajanju. Samo Graficke imaju pametno u sebi, i mozda ih razliciti prodavci razlicito podese (ali ne bi trebalo).
Aris (Cybenetics, HardwareBusters, Techpower, Tomshardware) digao ruke i kaze, dok ne dobijem svaki komad svake stvari i rastavim ispred sebe sve i uporedim, nemam pojma sta se tacno desava (ali najverovatnije je sve na samoj grafickoj).
Slicno je bilo i za Nvidia mozda "pametni" adapter za 3090 Ti, samo sto se ne secam detalja od onda.
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^ znaci da je to obican ekstender? Jel to govori da ćemo morati zbog tih kartica uzimati nova napajanja ili je ovo marketing da bi se prodavala nova napajanja? Gamer nexus je testirao sa ekstenderom bez problema.
