BTC/BCH 18+

Ovde pričamo o ovom orgijanju.


Order za BCH postavljen na 2900.

Izvuce sr iz petnih zila.

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kupio sam na 875$, 35% prodao sinoc na 1520$, sad cekam nekih 2500$, mada nikad se ne zna, moze ovo i vise od toga.

Jeste sigurni da ce gore?

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Nista nisam siguran. Veca verovatnoca je da ce gore nego dole. Barem jos danas. Tako da sam spreman da istopim deo dobiti ukoliko tako ne bude.

BTC krenuo naglo dole a bch naglo gore.

Prođe je*ačina kad je bilo najsladje, tako je to u kriptosvetu. Malo se zadovoljiš, osladi se, a onda izgubiš

https://cash.coin.dance/ mozda ovo uticena cenu u narednih 5 sati

Slike govore kako se presipalo i zjednog u drugi....

https://fork.lol/
https://twitter.com/SheriUcar/status/929965479925444609

Sklapaju kinezi slagalicu kako su i zamisljali, sta li sleduje?

Sve već znamo, ali ovako na jednom mestu za one koji ne prate detaljno.

Elem, priča se da je Roger Ver konverovao veliki deo ovih silnih dole pomenutih BTC do odnosa 0.54 u BCH pre neki dan, i ismevaju ga zbog toga.


https://medium.com/@luxushub/why-bi...minant-bitcoin-in-the-next-month-f42708d60705


Lots of people think of Bitcoin Cash as the harmless hard fork which only has bigger blocks… how can it EVER replace Bitcoin?

But what these people don’t know, is that the next BCH upgrade that will happen on Nov 13 at 20:00 UTC, will change everything.

UPDATE: The hard fork just happened. Bitcoin Cash is now just as profitable to mine, and will stay so.

Before the upgrade:

Bitcoin miners switch to Bitcoin Cash when it becomes more profitable.. when the price rises… now Bitcoin Cash suddenly has super fast transaction times while Bitcoin becomes super slow, and the Bitcoin fees skyrocket to $20 per transaction, making it very difficult to make a transaction.

…And when the mining difficultyadjusts after a few days… the miners are all gone. The Bitcoin Cash network power goes to almost zero, leaving it with a slow transaction time.

After the upgrade:

The upgrade implements the DAA (Difficulty Adjustment Algorithm). 
What is that exactly? Remember when I just told you that when the DIFFICULTY adjusts, Bitcoin miners LEAVE?
Well, that’s what the upgrade is changing.

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“We should see a split of the hashrate (network power) between BTC and BCH that is close to the split in term of price.”

As the price of Bitcoin Cash rises, Bitcoin miners will switch
to Bitcoin Cash … and STAY THERE.
The legacy Bitcoin network becomes crippled at that point, and almost unusable. The network power will NOT switch back to Bitcoin.
People will send their transactions as quick as possible to get out of Bitcoin, and it will be a sinking ship like the Titanic.

Besides, what incentives do miners have when Blockstream (the company behind Bitcoin) wants the fees to go to “peer-to-peer liquidity providers, and not miners.”, as they recently admitted in their investor letter?

Okay, but why should the Bitcoin Cash price rise anyway?

One simple reason.

Roger Ver.

He is currently the BIGGEST Bitcoin holder after Satoshi Nakamoto, the creator of Bitcoin. Roger Ver owns around 300,000 BTC, around $1.8B.

Roger Ver has planned this all very carefully, and will pump Bitcoin Cash, together with other people, all the way to becoming the dominant Bitcoin.

I knew this! Roger Ver can not be trusted! He is a liar, manipulator!

Actually.

If you actually did your research, you would know that Roger Ver is a hardcore libertarian. He wants Bitcoin to succeedas much as we all do.

But he’s not an *****. He doesn’t want Bitcoin to become Banks 2.0, which is, what the Bitcoin Core developers wants it to become.

What do you think sidechains / or “lightning network”, will exactly do?Sidechains are there to move everyone away from the blockchain and miners.

Blockstream, the developers of sidechains, which employs most Bitcoin Developers, want to make money. And they figured out, the best way to do that is by developing an external system, outside of the blockchain, where THEY can take the fees. That’s why they don’t want to scale Bitcoin.

Bitcoin Developers are not Bitcoin holders. They do not hold 300,000 BTC.
They want to make money.

Sidechains are the governments DREAM. Something which can be controlled, and tracked. Blockstream recently said in their investor letter that Sidechains will implement KYC/AML and no longer allow semi-anonymity that Bitcoin used to give. KYC/AML means taxes — and full control over every transaction and who is who. A libertarian’s nightmare.

That’s why Roger Ver doesn’t want Bitcoin Core to win. Because it is not the vision he signed up for. It is not the vision anymore that early adopters of Bitcoin signed up for.

Bitcoin Cash will win the fight, and become the dominant Bitcoin.

I sta ce sad da se desava?

Borba još traje. Ko će ga znati.

Treba pratiti profitabilnost mreže da bi se reagovalo pravovremeno, ako neko želi da predje iz BTC u BCH ili obratno.

Ne vidim drugi način trenutno za nas sitne.

Ilion je napisao(la):

Borba još traje. Ko će ga znati.

Treba pratiti profitabilnost mreže da bi se reagovalo pravovremeno, ako neko želi da predje iz BTC u BCH ili obratno.

Ne vidim drugi način trenutno za nas sitne.

Kliknite za proširenje...

Ma samoi hedgujes, koliko BTC-a toliko drzis i BCC-a i cao zdravo, ne mogu te zeznuti. A altovi ce se namestiti prema pobedniku svakako...Za sada BTC+BCH se vrti oko 7500-8000 i nema neke greske. Zato je holderima svejedno, imaju iste kolicine svih forkova i zvone im tojasi...

"Roger Ver owns around 300,000 BTC"
I otima jos. Sad sledi poslednji napad, mozda za vikend.

hucklebone je napisao(la):

"Roger Ver owns around 300,000 BTC"
I otima jos. Sad sledi poslednji napad, mozda za vikend.

Kliknite za proširenje...

Nisam siguran da ima 300K, to je FUD. Ima dosta, al nema ni 100K. Nebitno, cak i da ima 300K to nije 2% svih. A sa druge strane, Satoshi+core imaju milion+ BCH-a (dobili forkom) koje takodje mogu da treskaju. Tako da te price nemaju veze sa mozgom. Pobedice onaj ko bude imao vecu moc da privuce nove ulagace i da ih ubedi da je njegov "BTC" pravi. Slicno je sa ETH/ETC recimo, oba postoje i podjednako su isplativa za kopanje, pa ipak ETC klizi dole u odnosu na ETH od kada se pojavio.

Da, ali ima caka da core-u nikako ne ide na ruku sa upotrebe svoje BCH da naprave štetu rogeru, dodje im kao zalog za budućnost ako izgube. Gore pomenuto hedgovanje

Ovaj je izgleda spreman da ide na sve ili ništa.


Haha, twiter je pun ludackih postova

https://twitter.com/bsmith12251960/status/930191334207623169

Još par bisera haha

Koliko god da mi je simpatičan i smešan odgovor na Rodgerov tweet, počinje da mi ide na živac BTC core religija koju nameću da je BTC digitalno zlato.

Tu BCH ekipa ima pravo da je BCH pravi legacy chain.

Vredi pročitati.

https://amp.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7cyz5m/confessions_of_a_core_supporter/

Confessions of a Core Supporter

u/NachoKongNov 14, 2017, 1:31 PM

I was asked by a few other people in the btc sub to re-post this here, so I am doing so:

I remember as a slightly younger Bitcoiner watching videos and eating up everything I could about the subject. There was Roger Ver and Charlie Shrem, a cast of long bearded geniuses who kept this magic money safe, and of course the mysterious creator Mr Nakamoto. Things were weird, and grand, just the way I like them.

I bought my first bitcoin after the gox collapse, then more and more. If Mt gox couldn't kill bitcoin I wanted in. I watched it go to 300, then to 500, and was thrilled. I found r/bitcoin. I subbed a bunch of tech nerds on twitter. I remained on the outside, but I was now part of the dream of decentralized currency. I placed a certain amount of blind faith in this new technology that I admittedly didn't fully understand, yet somehow believed in, hoping that one day it would change the world.

I soon became aware of forks, of factions, of discontent. I shrugged my shoulders. After all, I had long since learned that bitcoin was the honey badger and it would figure it out. It always does. I learned to laugh at "bitcoin is dead" headlines and learned that this was simply a cue to buy more. There was Hodl. There was, buy the dip. There was always that lame ass on reddit reminding nubes (in nasally tone I'm sure) to "never buy more than you can afford to lose". There was the cute roller coaster coin guy which seemed to be so often on a fun ride to the top. I was riding this thing to the top with that little guy. Life was good. I was invested far more than I could afford to lose and life was great that way!

But then the more I read, the more 'in the know' guys I followed on twitter, the more reddit posts I read, I learned I would be forced to pick sides in an ideological battle between two distinct sides. Let's call them the nerds, and the capitalists. Being an anarchist/libertarian and capitalist it might seem strange that I found myself quickly taking the sides of the nerds. But it was the nerds who were the ones who kept all this shit together. The code, the security, the teflon armor that kept governments and crony capitalists out of bitcoin and who ultimately kept that little roller coaster guy going up and up and up. Life was good in the hands of the nerds. I was officially a small blocker, and I stood behind my nerds. I resented those who called them neckbeards. I have a beard and that was mean. Sometimes I chimed in on reddit posts, mocked big blockers on twitter, and firmly planted my feet on the rock of 1mb blocks. I would not be moved.

Then the fork happened. I was happy to receive my dividend. I even rushed out to sell some of my coins and sold a few but my gut resisted selling all of them. Something stopped me. That something was the instinctual recognition of the echo chamber of the small block community. It was beginning to scare me. Was this really where the sharp money was? I was beginning to wonder. I was beginning to doubt.

There was also the fact that I simply couldn't get my head around bigger blocks meaning less fees for the miners yet somehow the biggest miner in the world was such a staunch advocate of bigger blocks, all while more and more people were pouring into mining. I heard about side chains and lighting network. Boy did that sound good! But where was it? Where is it? When will it be delivered? Why isn't this ready yet with all this congestion? Do we really have the best nerds working on this problem? It's been like 9 years. What's up with this?

The answers and future promises of core, I had to admit seemed a bit vague at best. Transactions were getting clogged. There would not be a day ever in the future that I would buy a coffee with my bitcoin (ok ok). But there would also never be a day that someone busting their hump washing our dishes in expensive restaurants would be able to send their bitcoin home to a family that could really use them. It was too expensive. And new leaders in the space like Ari Paul were touting $100 fees as a sign of huge success. Was this what I signed up for? Was this the face of decentralization and borderless money?

But you have to have faith in the nerds, right? After all, they're nerds! And they were the ones that got us here. Or were they? I started to notice a complete disrespect for the companies that helped bitcoin grow to what it had; there was Jeremy Allaire, Brian Armstrong, Eric Vorhees, Gavin Andreson and Vinny Lingham, all thrown UNDER the bus and mercilessly at that. Profits were suddenly bad. Growth bad. Low fees, yup-bad. Appreciation for the risk some of these early pioneers took was non existent. And this didn't sit well with me. Why were these nerds so angry? Where was the respect? Where was the appreciation? Where was the loyalty to the men that helped the little roller coaster guy go so high? Why did you so quickly renege on the NY agreement once you got what you wanted; segwit. Only dishonest pussies do that kind of thing. A bigger question started to emerge in my head: what had these small block nerds done to improve on Bitcoin that a slightly different alternative group of nerd couldn't have done? Why couldn't' we just go to 2mb blocks for the time being? What if the small block nerds were wrong? Is there a shortage of nerds in this world? Maybe. But maybe not.

I started to get back to my roots. To dig beneath the bullshit and take a shovel to dig through the propaganda, and it's deep in this war. There's a lot at stake here. If there's one thing I've learned in the years I've been an anarchist there's one rule I have which trumps them all:Never trust the popular narrative. Because it's usually dead wrong. And often, it's actually a well crafted lie. But here I was on the 'popular' side. Ut oh, not good. Had I been fooled?

Now I'm not saying I'm fully in the big block camp. If I have been brainwashed, then I'll admit it's going to take more time to deprogram myself and begin to see things more clearly. However, I am starting to see a bit more clearly. What I do know is this; Tone Vays the famous bitcoin tout said BCH was going to zero within a day. That never came close to happening. Stick to massage parlors Tone. Men I respect and look up to (in certain ways) like Roger Ver, John McAfee, Jeff Berwick - all men with a provable TRACK RECORD of defying the government in one way or another and the criminal records to prove it (good thing in my book), and many other freedom loving anarchist types are all behind Bitcoin Cash. The small block community foams at the mouth like a demon in first century Galillee when you mention the name Roger Ver. Hmmm. Maybe he really is Bitcoin Jesus! Miners who let's face it, love money, put up their capital to invest in many many millions want to see bitcoin cash succeed. Vinny Lingham was thrown to the dogs by a ruthless community, for urging people to have an open mind and getting one BTC call wrong. The whole thing has at minimum, put a bad taste in my mouth.

Then there's the fact that some of the main core developers work for a large insurance company's company called Blockstream. If you really believed in bitcoin, shouldn't you own enough to not have to work for someone? I don't work for anyone, and I'm not a neckbeard nerd. But even I figured that much out and got some bitcoins early enough that I don't have to punch any one else's time clock. And while I'm never one to shy away from conspiracies there is the fact that the CEO of the big insurance company; AXA (who owns Blockstream who employs heavy hitters from the nerd Core group) is none other than Henri de Castries, who just so happens to be the chairman of the Bilderberg Group. You might think I made that last one up. I didn't. This just smells bad to me. I think a lot of people on the nerd, Core, block stream, blah blah blah side might be, just might be getting DUPED.

So, in closing I would like to apologize to the community. You can see, I'm not that active here or in r/bitcoin, but I have taken some stabs and even trolled a few of you. Hey, please forgive me, I thought I was on the right side, but I'm not so certain any more. One thing I did do is load up on some bitcoin cash. I paid a premium for it, and maybe I'll live to regret it. But I'm throwing my hat in with the successful capitalists, the anarchists, and people who believed in bitcoin enough in the beginning to not only buy (and maybe mine some), but to invest their lives in the space, to put their money where their mouth and beliefs were, and not have to go get a job working for some Bilderberger clown. The clues and the truth are always there folks, but you do have to search them out for yourself and more importantly, T H I N K. Sure I'm a bit late to the party, and I'm still not sure BCH will become the 'real bitcoin', but I'm moving some of my most valuable chips to this side of the table. I sense a strong rising tide here. I also just sent 30k worth of BCH for 2 cents and it was on the exchange in like 3 minutes. That felt like the good ole days and that felt good! And then there's the fact that when it all comes down to it, and despite the attempted slander meme circulating on twitter, I rather enjoy a glass of wine one day with Roger Ver and Jeff Berwick, Calvin Ayre (and maybe even fake Satoshi) than have my picture taken outside a Chucky Cheese with a group of nerds with small blocks.

M ko ce d cit ovo

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Nesicu imas pp,treba mi tvoj broj da vidimo za kablice neke. Molim moderatore da ne brisu da vidi covek poruku Hvala

Po prvi put od kada je rat počeo, i od forka, isplativost kopanja je na strani BCH u potpunosti.

Svašta je moguće očekivati narednih dana.

Ono što je za BTC dobro je da se broj nepotvrdjenih transakcija smanjuje polako iako je ogorman i dalje 75k+ nepotvrdjenih.

Ako isplativost na strani BCH nastavi da raste, u korelaciji sa povecavanjem/ brojem nepotvrdjenih BTC transakcija treba tražiti odgovor na ishod sukoba po meni.

Mislim da je BCH-u potreban jedan pump hitno da bi ostao isplativiji od BTC-a.
S obzirom na pad BCH-a i rast cene BTC-a, cak i na fork.lol sada pise da je isplativiji BTC za mining.
Mislim da ce BCH-u biti mnogo teze da odrzi cenu ako ne bude isplativiji za mining od BTC-a bar jos neko vreme.

Ovo je samo neki moj neki pocetnicki pogled na stvari.

Ima li neko predlog kada izaci iz BCH-a? Sada je stigao na 1200 posle sinocnog pada na blizu 850..

Potpuna dominacija isplativosti rudarenja.

Jedva čekam fork da se završi da vidimo šta će se desiti. Ozbiljno uzbudljiv vikend nas čeka.

Zanimljivo mi je da je BCH isplativ za kopanje a uporno manipulisu cenom i teraju potencijalne ulagace.Toliko se manipulisalo ovih dana da je to bilo previse ocigledno.A sa strane rudarenja, ja bih rudario BCH a kad je trgovina u pitanju mislim da je do sada najveci strah bio upravo oko BCH.

Ne vidim da je iko manipulisao sa cenom BCH, više je BTC manipulisan. Samo se fud i fomo smenjivao iz sata u sat.

Kakve su vam prognoze za vikend?


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Totalna konfuzija. Mene interesuje isto. Nesto ce se veliko desiti. Al sta, znace se za 48 sati.

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Interesantna cena BCH


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