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      3. Citat Citiram korisnika: q4u Pogledaj poruku
        citao nesto,

        postoji komentar da se za to " znalo " a mogucnosti ( zlo )upotrebe "propusta" moGU biti da ti agenti na aerodromu brzinski pregledaju SADRZAJ privremeno oduzetog laptop-a koji je zakljucaN.

        ja sam za.
        Da, verovatno vudu magijom... Nije zgoreg da se informises pre nego sto pocnes da pises ovakve nebuloze...
        U svakoj laži ima pola istine. Što znači da se laž sastoji od jedne polovine, koja je istina, i druge polovine, koja je laž. E sada, ako na ovu drugu polovinu ponovo primenimo aksiomu da u svakoj laži ima pola istine, zaključujemo da u prvobitnoj laži ima 3/4 istine, a 1/4 laži. Matematičkom indukcijom dalje lako dolazimo do rezultata da je limes istinitosti svake laži = 1, tj. da je u pitanju sušta i neokaljana istina.

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        Citat Citiram korisnika: kUdtiHaEX Pogledaj poruku
        Dobili su $30 nakon sudskih troskova koji su enormni, ali ono sto su takodje dobili je 0% sanse da ce onaj koje izgubio spor uraditi takvu glupost jos jednom.
        U SAD troškovi ne padaju na teret onog koji je izgubio.

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      10. Citat Citiram korisnika: Bya-Bya-sama Pogledaj poruku
        U SAD troškovi ne padaju na teret onog koji je izgubio.
        "Aside from the settlement fund, which is unlimited, the defendants have agreed to pay as much as $1.3 million in attorneys’ fees and expenses. They have also agreed to pay incentive awards of up to $25,000 in total to the 23 named plaintiffs."

        Mala cifra, ali Nvidia je bila odgovorna za troskove, uz ASUS, EVGA i Gigabyte.
        Menjao Ve®sus : 14.01.2018. u 21:15

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        Citat Citiram korisnika: Ve®sus Pogledaj poruku
        "Aside from the settlement fund, which is unlimited, the defendants have agreed to pay as much as $1.3 million in attorneys’ fees and expenses. They have also agreed to pay incentive awards of up to $25,000 in total to the 23 named plaintiffs."

        Mala cifra, ali Nvidia je bila odgovorna za troskove, uz ASUS, EVGA i Gigabyte.
        Razumem ja to ako je deo pogodbe. Ono što sam ja rekao je ako suđenje dođe do kraja odnosno presude. Kod nas izgubljena strana plaća i svoje i druge strane i sudske. Envidija se nagodila, jer bi nagrabusili da su proglašeni krivim.

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      17. Citat Citiram korisnika: kUdtiHaEX Pogledaj poruku
        Da, verovatno vudu magijom... Nije zgoreg da se informises pre nego sto pocnes da pises ovakve nebuloze...
        lol......
        mislim da su informacije kojima raspolazes obrnuto srazmerna .... koje koristis....

        ili se podrazumeva po tebi da se niko ne informise tako dobro kao ti ? .....

        p.s.


        mogli bi malo ti moderisu post zbog vredjanja...... da ne bude da nekima brisu postove bez razloga a neko pise sta hoce ( ooff topic/ vredjanje / flejmovanje)
        ............
        New AMT Vulnerability
        F-Secure researchers found a new vulnerability in AMT that could allow anyone to bypass BitLocker encryption, BIOS password, TPM Pin, and login credentials on most laptops in less than a minute.

        “The attack is almost deceptively simple to enact, but it has incredible destructive potential. In practice, it can give a local attacker complete control over an individual’s work laptop, despite even the most extensive security measures,” said Harry Sintonen, the F-Secure security consultant who discovered the bug.

        Normally, when you reboot a machine and try to access the boot menu, you should encounter a BIOS password. However, most users don’t set one. Even if the users do set-up a BIOS password, the attacker can access the Intel Management BIOS Extension (MEBx). This functionality typically comes with the default “admin” password, unless it’s been changed by the PC vendor or the user.

        The attacker could then change the MEBx password, enable remote access via AMT, and set the user “opt-in” to “none” in order to compromise the machine. This allows the attacker to control the machine remotely afterwards, as well as access the machine’s network. As a real world example of how this could be used, this could allow, for instance, border agents to gain access to your laptop remotely after they confiscate it temporarily in the airport to check its contents...........
        Menjao q4u : 15.01.2018. u 00:24
        Rat je mir. Sloboda je ropstvo. Neznanje je moć.

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      20. Ti mislis da je Intel cutao o propustu zbog TSA agenata na US carini? Jesi li realan?

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      23. Citat Citiram korisnika: Ve®sus Pogledaj poruku
        Ti mislis da je Intel cutao o propustu zbog TSA agenata na US carini? Jesi li realan?
        ako pod Ti mislis na mene velika mi je cast sto mislis da sam ja autor clanka u vodecim svetskim kolumnama.
        Rat je mir. Sloboda je ropstvo. Neznanje je moć.

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      26. Spomenuo si taj scenario pre ovog poslednjeg posta takodje, ili gresim.

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      29. Citat Citiram korisnika: Ve®sus Pogledaj poruku
        Spomenuo si taj scenario pre ovog poslednjeg posta takodje, ili gresim.
        ako mislis na

        "citao nesto,

        postoji komentar da se za to " znalo " a mogucnosti ( zlo )upotrebe "propusta" moGU biti da ti agenti na aerodromu brzinski pregledaju SADRZAJ privremeno oduzetog laptop-a koji je zakljucaN."

        onda ne gresis
        Rat je mir. Sloboda je ropstvo. Neznanje je moć.

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      32. Ja ne znam čemu se vi čudite, sve ima propuste i dok ne izleti od nekog, nečega, to vam je kao doping, svi vrhunski sportisti su dopingovani samo za neke to nikad necemo saznati

        Poslato sa STF-L09 uz pomoć Tapatoka

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      35. A sta na sve kaze Adored. Voleo bi da komentator PC Beast malo iskomentarise ovaj video.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSI6N6RKd5A&t=1s

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        Linux-Kernel Archive: Re: [RFC 09/10] x86/enter: Create macros to restrict/unrestrict Indirect Branch Speculation

        Spoiler:

        Re: [RFC 09/10] x86/enter: Create macros to restrict/unrestrict Indirect Branch Speculation
        From: Linus Torvalds
        Date: Sun Jan 21 2018 - 16:36:05 EST



        On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:28 PM, David Woodhouse <dwmw2@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
        > On Sun, 2018-01-21 at 11:34 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
        >> All of this is pure garbage.
        >>
        >> Is Intel really planning on making this shit architectural? Has
        >> anybody talked to them and told them they are f*cking insane?
        >>
        >> Please, any Intel engineers here - talk to your managers.
        >
        > If the alternative was a two-decade product recall and giving everyone
        > free CPUs, I'm not sure it was entirely insane.

        You seem to have bought into the cool-aid. Please add a healthy dose
        of critical thinking. Because this isn't the kind of cool-aid that
        makes for a fun trip with pretty pictures. This is the kind that melts
        your brain.

        > Certainly it's a nasty hack, but hey â the world was on fire and in the
        > end we didn't have to just turn the datacentres off and go back to goat
        > farming, so it's not all bad.

        It's not that it's a nasty hack. It's much worse than that.

        > As a hack for existing CPUs, it's just about tolerable â as long as it
        > can die entirely by the next generation.

        That's part of the big problem here. The speculation control cpuid
        stuff shows that Intel actually seems to plan on doing the right thing
        for meltdown (the main question being _when_). Which is not a huge
        surprise, since it should be easy to fix, and it's a really honking
        big hole to drive through. Not doing the right thing for meltdown
        would be completely unacceptable.

        So the IBRS garbage implies that Intel is _not_ planning on doing the
        right thing for the indirect branch speculation.

        Honestly, that's completely unacceptable too.

        > So the part is I think is odd is the IBRS_ALL feature, where a future
        > CPU will advertise "I am able to be not broken" and then you have to
        > set the IBRS bit once at boot time to *ask* it not to be broken. That
        > part is weird, because it ought to have been treated like the RDCL_NO
        > bit â just "you don't have to worry any more, it got better".

        It's not "weird" at all. It's very much part of the whole "this is
        complete garbage" issue.

        The whole IBRS_ALL feature to me very clearly says "Intel is not
        serious about this, we'll have a ugly hack that will be so expensive
        that we don't want to enable it by default, because that would look
        bad in benchmarks".

        So instead they try to push the garbage down to us. And they are doing
        it entirely wrong, even from a technical standpoint.

        I'm sure there is some lawyer there who says "we'll have to go through
        motions to protect against a lawsuit". But legal reasons do not make
        for good technology, or good patches that I should apply.

        > We do need the IBPB feature to complete the protection that retpoline
        > gives us â it's that or rebuild all of userspace with retpoline.

        BULLSHIT.

        Have you _looked_ at the patches you are talking about? You should
        have - several of them bear your name.

        The patches do things like add the garbage MSR writes to the kernel
        entry/exit points. That's insane. That says "we're trying to protect
        the kernel". We already have retpoline there, with less overhead.

        So somebody isn't telling the truth here. Somebody is pushing complete
        garbage for unclear reasons. Sorry for having to point that out.

        If this was about flushing the BTB at actual context switches between
        different users, I'd believe you. But that's not at all what the
        patches do.

        As it is, the patches are COMPLETE AND UTTER GARBAGE.

        They do literally insane things. They do things that do not make
        sense. That makes all your arguments questionable and suspicious. The
        patches do things that are not sane.

        WHAT THE F*CK IS GOING ON?

        And that's actually ignoring the much _worse_ issue, namely that the
        whole hardware interface is literally mis-designed by morons.

        It's mis-designed for two major reasons:

        - the "the interface implies Intel will never fix it" reason.

        See the difference between IBRS_ALL and RDCL_NO. One implies Intel
        will fix something. The other does not.

        Do you really think that is acceptable?

        - the "there is no performance indicator".

        The whole point of having cpuid and flags from the
        microarchitecture is that we can use those to make decisions.

        But since we already know that the IBRS overhead is huge on
        existing hardware, all those hardware capability bits are just
        complete and utter garbage. Nobody sane will use them, since the cost
        is too damn high. So you end up having to look at "which CPU stepping
        is this" anyway.

        I think we need something better than this garbage.

        Linus



        Menjao sam633 : 23.01.2018. u 02:23
        Igoritza:"Necu se ja vala ovde vise nikad registrovati."

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