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Sviđa mi se ovaj Geof Keighley, onaj ćelo je ispao smešan nekoliko puta.

Ok je lik, uvek uspe da izvuce neku informatciju ili da napravi sagovornika glupim.
Jedino sto mi smeta je sto svakih par minuta ponavlja kako je nesto ekskluzivno i sto nosi babine dzempere 🙂
 
Stvari nastavljaju da se komplikuju. :d

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/19960/...You-the-Truth/

Over recent years, we have received information on Microsoft's future plans for the Xbox platform, and that's why, among other topics, we extensively covered 3DV Systems' Z-Cam. Avid TeamXbox.com readers know we were the first publication to report that Microsoft signed IBM to create the CPU for the Xbox 360 (at a time when no one would believe Microsoft and IBM would work together or that the Xbox platform would use a non-x86 CPU) and that Microsoft was doing research on video-based motion sensing.

Today, I can tell you that I have obtained the first details on the next Xbox (info that we'll reveal in the coming weeks) and that's why we can confirm that the rumor reported by 1UP is false. Microsoft is NOT launching a new, upgraded Xbox 360 disguised as a new Xbox in 2010 (although built-in Natal technology is a possibility for a new edition of the Xbox 360, similar to the Elite or Arcade flavors).

It's not our intention to tease you, but for now the only thing I'm going to say about everything I heard regarding the next Xbox is that it won't launch until a certain type of television becomes more widespread because...

...in addition to built-in Natal tech, a key feature of the next Xbox would be full HD stereoscopic 3D visuals similar to 3D movie theatres.
 
@shin-bojan hvala na linku i informacijama! :wave:

sad gledam ove Natal najave i ne vidim u cemu je novina u odnosu na PS2 kameru i igre koje se kontrolisu telom i pokretom... sve ovo sto je M$ prikazao je samo mazanje ociju.

...i u tome je izuetno spretan, kao sto je 90tih vesto naterao IT publiku da ceka na njegov Windows95 tako i danas prica gluposti o Natalu!

dovoljno je pogledati CES keynote iz 2008. gde Bill Gates prikazuje Surface i gde za jednu operaciju mora 3 puta da ponovi pokret rukom da bi sistem ukapirao sta je hteo da uradi! tuga!... i sad ce opet M$ svima da maze oci sa nekim Natalom koji ce biti jednako bitan koliko i Microsoft Surface... :smash:

MAZANJE OCIJU! 🙂 100%!

i kladim se u 100$ na to! 😉
 
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Ala neki vole da mrze M$ :smoke:
 
za 3 medalje! 😉

ono što je bitno (i ono što se broji) - totalno opravdano i argumentovano 😉 !!!

btw ako hoćeš, možeš da prihvatiš opkladu - slobodno - da je Natal samo mazanje očiju
 
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kovacm idi zuri u sunce ili tako nešto... 🙂

ne kažem da će Natal napraviti nešto ali kao koncept ima smisla, i ja isto smatram da će tehnički to biti malo teže izvodljivo u realnoj upotrebi ali ajde da vidimo šta će biti a ne odmah pljuvanje.

a btw. Surface ima svoju primenu, pitaj kasina u Las Vegasu, brojne kafiće, showroom-ove raznih predstavništava itd.
 
Da je M$ ovo interno razvijao, ne bih verovao da ce nesto biti od toga.
Ali posto je to tudja tehnologija, a i poceli su da je reklamiraju kao mahniti, mozda nesto i bude.
 
@shin-bojan hvala na linku i informacijama! :wave:

sad gledam ove Natal najave i ne vidim u cemu je novina u odnosu na PS2 kameru i igre koje se kontrolisu telom i pokretom... sve ovo sto je M$ prikazao je samo mazanje ociju.

...i u tome je izuetno spretan, kao sto je 90tih vesto naterao IT publiku da ceka na njegov Windows95 tako i danas prica gluposti o Natalu!

dovoljno je pogledati CES keynote iz 2008. gde Bill Gates prikazuje Surface i gde za jednu operaciju mora 3 puta da ponovi pokret rukom da bi sistem ukapirao sta je hteo da uradi! tuga!... i sad ce opet M$ svima da maze oci sa nekim Natalom koji ce biti jednako bitan koliko i Microsoft Surface... :smash:

MAZANJE OCIJU! 🙂 100%!

i kladim se u 100$ na to! 😉

I Iphone je onda isto što i Erikson 628 , lično sam dosta puta doživio da mi Iphone ne reaguje jer su mi ruke znojave.
 
Jel to cudo radi real time camera tracking?
 
cini mi se da bas to radi
 
... na kraju se javio i Stever Ballmer sa sledecim recima:


http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/996/996216p1.html

June 18, 2009 - Perhaps all those crazy rumors we've heard over the past week were true.

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer reportedly spoke at The Executive's Club of Chicago about "the role of innovation in changing economic times" this afternoon. And according to TGdaily, he announced the company's plan to release a new Xbox 360 next year.

The system will be "'really, really, close' to an actuality" and was described as having a "natural interface." There will also be a "built in" camera, which is believed to be the Natal device Microsoft revealed at the latest E3


We contacted Microsoft for comment on this and we'll update when we hear anything.

Intervju:
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/42919/118/
 
Ovo je zanimljivije... ARhrrrr - An augmented reality shooter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNu4CluFOcw

Potreban je A4 papir sa petternom i mapa i eto zezanja.. mozda cak da se prosiri i u multiplayer.

Interesantna demonstracija, ali sam efekat je osrednji. Najviše vajde mogu imati sami proizvođači igara jer bi ovako otežavaju piratovanje. Treba da imaš onu tablu za "ne ljuti se čoveče" kako bi mogao da je igraš. Napraviš da igrici treba nekoliko različitih tabli i obeshrabruješ svaki pokušaj piratovanja iste.
 
Interesantna demonstracija, ali sam efekat je osrednji. Najviše vajde mogu imati sami proizvođači igara jer bi ovako otežavaju piratovanje. Treba da imaš onu tablu za "ne ljuti se čoveče" kako bi mogao da je igraš. Napraviš da igrici treba nekoliko različitih tabli i obeshrabruješ svaki pokušaj piratovanja iste.

Pa da.. a ne da kupujes glupave igre za koje ti je potreban specijalni skaterboard. Prvo treba proceniti kolika ce prodaja biti, pa napraviti toliko skejtova, pa obezbediti se da ako se sve to ne proda ne izgubis puno para, ... i rezlutat je glupa igra koja kosta nerealno mnogo za ono sto nudi (ovde aludiram na novu igru sa Tony Hawksom.. ako se tako pise).

A sto se igre sa papirom tice, pattern mozes da skines sa sajta kao PDF i odstampas ga. Pattern moze da ima bar code i da bude "zakljucan" za tvoj telefon ili nalog.

Bojim se da je dosao kraj dobrim igrama i da cemo od sada gledati izivljavanje izdavaca sa ovakvim experimentima. Sta je sledece? Igra prepoznaje lice i ako te ne vidi nece da se pokrene... onda nemozes drugaru da das da odigra.. ne bi me cudilo da je to sledece.

Neka nas neko podseti koja je to MS igra bila koja je svakih 10 dana trazila da preko interneta proveri da nije slucajno njen kljuc iscureo u javnost pa onda odbije da radi.. I onda krenu ljudi na letovanje, ponesu konzolu, igraju 4-5 dana i kraj.. nema interneta nema igranja.
 
Bojim se da je dosao kraj dobrim igrama

Vec jedno par godina unazad godisnje izadje max 5 ok igara za sve zive ( i mrrrrtve :d ) platforme :smash:

Danas je "plastika" i "consume & obey" u modi 🙂

Igre vise ne prave "geek based entuzijasti" vec "new age bismismeni" u lexus-ima i hummer-ima

Sklepaj/hype-uj/prodaj/zaradi 😀 ionako ce average joe/mile da djipaju sve zivo sto "dobro izgleda" :smash:
 
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Dobar potez microsofta ako srede malo Xbox za sledecu godinu. Tipa da ima blueray player u sebi, ne bude tolko rrodova, da bude malo tise hladjenje, i da ima ugradjen Natal.
 
Znaci da rebrendiraju PS3? 😀
 
Dobar potez microsofta ako srede malo Xbox za sledecu godinu. Tipa da ima blueray player u sebi, ne bude tolko rrodova, da bude malo tise hladjenje, i da ima ugradjen Natal.
Rrodovi su odavno stvar prošlosti, tiše teško da može kada se igra instalira na HD, Natal dolazi sledeće godine, BR bi bila fina stvarčica ali pošto XB360 pušta narodni HD to mu trenutno nije nikakva mana.
 
E da, gledam ovaj thread, pa se setih sad vec starijeg snimka, gde matori ps3 radi prepoznavanje lica i tela... Virtuelni izbor frizera, sminkera, tetovaza, odece... zanimljivo i korisno...Negde je bio ceo prilog, ali ne mogu vise da ga nadjem(prilog😀)...Ja se iskreno nadam da ce konacno, ovim kurcijalnim resenjem, olaksati zivot i nama manekenima u fabrici qrtona😀

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWdY52AOTO0
 
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Bill Gates Says 'Project Natal' Camera Coming to PC

In an interview with CNET News this week, Gates talked about a world in which depth-sensing cameras such as the one Microsoft is adding to the Xbox allow people to control their PCs, game devices, and televisions. (See a video from the E3 conference below.)

Speaking about all of the technology Microsoft has cooking in its labs, Gates said: "I'd say a cool example of that, that you'll see... in a little over a year, is this (depth) camera thing." Gates said it was not just for games, "but for media consumption as a whole, and even if they connect it up to Windows PCs for interacting in terms of meetings, and collaboration, and communication."

Gates said it is an example where the project started in Microsoft research but is now being commercialized by both the Xbox and Windows units. "Both the Xbox guys and the Windows guys latched onto that and now even since they latched onto it the idea of how it can be used in the office is getting much more concrete, and is pretty exciting."

Using your body to control devices makes a lot of sense, Gates said. "I think the value is as great for if you're in the home, as you want to manage your movies, music, home system type stuff, it's very cool there," he said. "And I think there's incredible value as we use that in the office connected to a Windows PC. So Microsoft research and the product groups have a lot going on there, because you can use the cost reduction that will take place over the years to say, why shouldn't that be in most office environments."
 
To Bili 🙂
 
Bill Gates has spoken LOL

Taj Bill Gates mu dodje nesto kao varijanta domaceg politicara prilagodjenog IT industriji. Kao i politicari koji su godinama prosipali pricu o stetnosti svega sto dolazi iz inostranstva a s druge strane slali decu na strane fakultete, tako i Gates koji svojoj deci ogranicava vreme provedeno na kompu na 45 minuta ovde nama prodaje pricu sta je sledeci trend u razvoju IT-ja...
 
Mark Rein o Natalu:

Epic Games Vice President Mark Rein said in a recent interview that although the video game industry has historically seen console refreshes every four to six years, there's no need to follow that strategy this time around. Consumers just aren't ready yet, he said.

"Over half the users who played Gears of War 2 so far do not have HDTVs," Rein told Eurogamer in an interview. "My point is, of the systems that are out there now, the majority of them aren't plugged into HDTVs. So there's no way we're ready for the PlayStation 4 or the Xbox Whatever."

Rein's comments fall in line with what Sony has been touting as the PlayStation 3's 10-year lifecycle. The hardware maker has said on numerous occasions that the rapid console updates of the past simply don't apply in this generation. That's why Sony, even though it's trailing far behind the competition today, believes it can still win this console war. It believes that its console is the only device on the market that has staying power.

For a while, many video game pundits (myself included) thought that argument was nonsense. Surely there is something bigger and better on the horizon, right?

Rein doesn't think so. He doesn't believe Microsoft will release a high-powered Xbox 720 to replace the Xbox 360. On the contrary, he thinks the future of the Xbox is based solely in Project Natal, motion-detecting technology to control a gaming system with no controller required.

"It's called Natal," Rein said. "That is the next Xbox."

Microsoft is saying the same thing. Just last week, the head of Microsoft Game Studios, Phil Spencer, said that when Project Natal is made available, it will revolutionize the market.

"When Natal comes out, it will feel like a new generation has arrived," Spencer said. "I see it as like the launch of the Xbox 360 back in 2005--there will be a launch portfolio of games to support it."

So perhaps Rein is right. Maybe the PlayStation 4 and the Xbox 720, while still possible, might not make their way to store shelves for quite some time.

It makes sense. The Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 are network- and HD-ready. Thanks to firmware upgrades, the hardware companies can release incremental improvements to keep the consoles alive and well. Since the future is both online and in HD, what makes an Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4 so important?

Moreover, developers face some real challenges when a new console is released. They need to learn how to exploit the hardware, which tends to lengthen development and cost the company more cash. And even though the Xbox 720 or PlayStation 4 might be able to provide Pixar-like graphics, that might be far too expensive for developers, causing most companies to balk at going that far with graphical prowess. While most gamers might want more from their consoles, sometimes, it's just not financially feasible.

Then there are consumers. If they've yet to capitalize on this generation's technology, why should the industry rush to bring out new hardware? Maybe the industry should allow consumers to catch up and then decide how to move forward.

But in the end, it's demand that will dictate the future of this space. And that demand comes from you. So, what do you say? Are you ready for the PlayStation 4 and the Xbox 720? Or would you rather wait until you've fully exploited the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360?

Link.

tl;dr
Nema novog Xboxa iz MS-a jos neko vreme, Natal ce posluziti kao relaunch.
 
Ovaj komentar za 10-year lifecycle mnogi izgleda nisu razumeli. Ta izjava se odnosila da ce igre izlaziti 10 godina nakon launcha, kao i sa PS2, a ne da ce novi PS izaci 2016.
 
To jeste bila prvobitna zamisao te ideje, ali kako stvari stoje, mozda se ispostavi tacnom u njenom bukvalnom kontekstu.
 
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