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mozda coveku ne treba kopernikus tv , mozda ima recimo totalTV u cijem slucaju net za njega ne bi iznosio 1400din , vec punih 2450.

e sad tu cenu treba uporediti sa lelekomovom :p i koliko je za njega isplatljivo i izvodljivo.

u svakom slucaju sada zna mogucnosti pa je totalno na njemu da napravi izbor.
 
Zamolio bih Smederevce, ali i ostale da pogledaju u log-u modema da li imaju neke ovakve logove:

Kod: 
Wed Jun 06 14:14:36 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response. 
 Wed Jun 06 14:14:29 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 DHCP FAILED - Discover sent, no offer received 
 Wed Jun 06 14:14:15 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out 
 Wed Jun 06 14:14:05 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 Received Response to Broadcast Maintenance Request, But no Un...

Ovo mi se desilo pre pola sata (sat u log-u kasni 2 sata), i tada mi je veza pukla.

A ovo je ostatak log-a:

Kod: 
Wed Jun 06 05:05:56 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - ... 
 Time Not Established 	 Critical (3) 	 DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response. 
 Time Not Established 	 Critical (3) 	 No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out 
 Thu May 31 11:21:17 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - ... 
 Tue May 29 04:14:41 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response. 
 Tue May 29 04:14:26 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out 
 Tue May 29 04:14:02 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 Unicast Ranging Received Abort Response - Re- initializing MAC 
 Tue May 29 01:03:24 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - ... 
 Time Not Established 	 Critical (3) 	 DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response. 
 Sun May 27 15:23:05 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - ... 
 Thu May 24 11:02:42 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to receive MAC S... 
 Thu May 24 11:02:40 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - ... 
 Thu May 24 11:00:30 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to receive MAC S... 
 Wed May 23 21:11:37 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response. 
 Wed May 23 21:11:26 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out 
 Wed May 23 21:11:21 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 Received Response to Broadcast Maintenance Request, But no Un... 
 Wed May 23 01:08:16 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - ... 
 Sat May 19 09:27:03 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - ... 
 Mon May 14 16:40:32 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to receive MAC S... 
 Time Not Established 	 Critical (3) 	 DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response. 
 Mon May 14 15:49:59 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out 
 Mon May 14 15:47:10 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 Received Response to Broadcast Maintenance Request, But no Un... 
 Sun May 13 06:18:36 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - ... 
 Fri May 11 09:23:31 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response. 
 Fri May 11 09:23:15 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 Init RANGING Critical Ranging Request Retries exhausted 
 Fri May 11 09:23:15 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out 
 Fri May 11 09:21:30 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 Init RANGING Critical Ranging Request Retries exhausted 
 Fri May 11 09:21:30 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out
Citao sam na netu o ovom "T3 time-out", i svuda kazu da je to razlog zasto veza puca. Isto sam naisao na ovaj blog post. Tu ima objasnjenje, zasto se desava taj T3 time-out.
 
I kod mene u isto vreme
Kod: 
Wed Jun 06 14:14:09 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response. 
 Wed Jun 06 14:14:09 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 DHCP FAILED - Request sent, No response 
 Wed Jun 06 14:13:56 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out 
 Wed Jun 06 14:13:52 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 Received Response to Broadcast Maintenance Request, But no Un...

i ostatak loga: ovde gde ne postoji vreme je zbog resetovanja modema koje nije pomoglo:

Kod: 
Tue Jun 05 10:25:21 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - ... 
 Sun Jun 03 17:26:24 2012  	 Warning (5) 	 DHCP RENEW WARNING - Field invalid in response 
 Sat Jun 02 04:15:15 2012  	 Critical (3) 	 Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - ... 
 Time Not Established 	 Critical (3) 	 DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response. 
 Time Not Established 	 Critical (3) 	 Init RANGING Critical Ranging Request Retries exhausted 
 Time Not Established 	 Critical (3) 	 No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out 
 Time Not Established 	 Critical (3) 	 Init RANGING Critical Ranging Request Retries exhausted 
 Time Not Established 	 Critical (3) 	 No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out

Ne dešava se često, a i kad se desi ubeđujem sebe da poboljšavaju mrežu! :D
 
evo ceo moj log
Kod: 
2012-06-06 16:42:41	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
2012-06-06 14:47:36	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-06-06 13:11:05	3-Critical	R005.0	Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out
2012-06-06 09:35:21	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
1970-01-01 00:25:07	3-Critical	D003.0	DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response.
1970-01-01 00:24:57	3-Critical	R002.0	No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out (US 3)
1970-01-01 00:24:51	3-Critical	T001.0	SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing
1970-01-01 00:24:49	3-Critical	T002.0	SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire FEC framing
1970-01-01 00:24:48	3-Critical	T001.0	SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing
1970-01-01 00:11:37	3-Critical	T002.0	SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire FEC framing
1970-01-01 00:11:37	3-Critical	T001.0	SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing
1970-01-01 00:02:37	3-Critical	T002.0	SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire FEC framing
1970-01-01 00:02:36	3-Critical	T001.0	SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing
2012-06-06 06:50:40	6-Notice	M573.0	Modem Is Shutting Down and Rebooting...
2012-06-06 06:50:40	3-Critical	R004.0	Received Response to Broadcast Maintenance Request, But no Unicast Maintenance o
2012-06-06 06:50:40	3-Critical	T002.0	SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire FEC framing
2012-06-05 23:20:41	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-06-05 15:51:05	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
2012-06-05 14:39:21	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-06-05 11:54:19	3-Critical	R005.0	Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out
2012-06-05 08:31:31	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
2012-06-05 02:40:45	3-Critical	R005.0	Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out
2012-06-04 22:15:19	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-06-04 16:50:15	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
2012-06-04 15:31:37	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-06-04 08:17:37	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
2012-06-03 23:07:35	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-06-03 12:32:00	3-Critical	R005.0	Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out
2012-06-03 09:09:43	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
2012-06-02 21:46:29	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-06-02 13:46:13	3-Critical	R005.0	Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out
2012-06-02 11:21:47	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
1970-01-01 00:00:02	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
1970-01-01 00:00:15	3-Critical	D003.0	DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response.
1970-01-01 00:00:02	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-05-31 03:24:18	6-Notice	M573.0	Modem Is Shutting Down and Rebooting...
2012-05-31 03:24:18	3-Critical	R004.0	Received Response to Broadcast Maintenance Request, But no Unicast Maintenance o
2012-05-31 03:24:18	3-Critical	T002.0	SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire FEC framing
2012-05-30 23:42:27	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-05-30 16:01:37	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
2012-05-30 14:15:29	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-05-30 10:34:27	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
2012-05-29 23:14:38	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-05-29 23:10:11	5-Warning	D103.0	DHCP RENEW WARNING - Field invalid in response
2012-05-29 15:59:14	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
2012-05-29 14:25:49	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-05-29 11:27:00	3-Critical	R005.0	Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out
2012-05-29 11:13:53	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
2012-05-29 05:58:13	3-Critical	R005.0	Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out
2012-05-28 23:02:18	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-05-28 22:45:38	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
2012-05-28 22:26:12	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-05-28 16:20:25	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
2012-05-28 14:51:07	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-05-28 11:21:08	3-Critical	R005.0	Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out
2012-05-28 11:07:43	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
2012-05-28 10:14:29	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-05-28 08:31:26	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
2012-05-27 21:51:22	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-05-27 14:51:45	3-Critical	R005.0	Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out
2012-05-27 10:28:03	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
2012-05-27 10:05:58	3-Critical	R005.0	Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out
2012-05-26 23:52:45	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-05-26 08:08:42	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
2012-05-26 00:19:31	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-05-25 12:19:15	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
2012-05-25 01:22:03	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2012-05-24 23:40:51	3-Critical	R005.0	Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out
1970-01-01 00:00:20	3-Critical	D003.0	DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response.
1970-01-01 00:00:16	3-Critical	D001.0	DHCP FAILED - Discover sent, no offer received
1970-01-01 00:00:10	3-Critical	R005.0	Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out
1970-01-01 00:00:02	6-Notice	M571.1	Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
1970-01-01 00:00:03	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
1970-01-01 00:00:15	3-Critical	D003.0	DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response.
1970-01-01 00:00:20	3-Critical	D002.0	DHCP FAILED - Request sent, No response
1970-01-01 00:00:07	3-Critical	R002.0	No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out (US 3)
1970-01-01 00:00:02	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
1970-01-01 00:00:17	3-Critical	D003.0	DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response.
1970-01-01 00:00:08	3-Critical	R002.0	No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out (US 3)
1970-01-01 00:00:02	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
1970-01-01 00:00:21	3-Critical	D003.0	DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response.
1970-01-01 00:00:08	3-Critical	R002.0	No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out (US 3)
1970-01-01 00:00:02	6-Notice	M571.4	Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
1970-01-01 00:19:54	3-Critical	D003.0	DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response.
1970-01-01 00:19:50	3-Critical	D001.0	DHCP FAILED - Discover sent, no offer received
1970-01-01 00:19:18	3-Critical	R002.0	No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out (US 3)
1970-01-01 00:19:14	3-Critical	R003.0	Init RANGING Critical Ranging Request (17) Retries exhausted
1970-01-01 00:19:14	3-Critical	R002.0	No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out (US 2)
1970-01-01 00:18:36	6-Notice	M572.0	T4 No Station Maint Timeout - Reinitialize MAC...
1970-01-01 00:18:36	3-Critical	R004.0	Received Response to Broadcast Maintenance Request, But no Unicast Maintenance o
1970-01-01 00:18:35	3-Critical	D001.0	DHCP FAILED - Discover sent, no offer received
1970-01-01 00:15:19	3-Critical	R002.0	No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out (US 3)
1970-01-01 00:15:14	6-Notice	M572.0	Dhcp Init Failed - Reinitialize MAC...
1970-01-01 00:15:13	3-Critical	D001.0	DHCP FAILED - Discover sent, no offer received
1970-01-01 00:11:58	3-Critical	R003.0	Init RANGING Critical Ranging Request (17) Retries exhausted
1970-01-01 00:11:58	3-Critical	R002.0	No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out (US 2)
1970-01-01 00:11:10	3-Critical	D001.0	DHCP FAILED - Discover sent, no offer received
1970-01-01 00:07:49	6-Notice	M572.0	T4 No Station Maint Timeout - Reinitialize MAC...
1970-01-01 00:07:49	3-Critical	R004.0	Received Response to Broadcast Maintenance Request, But no Unicast Maintenance o
1970-01-01 00:06:49	3-Critical	D001.0	DHCP FAILED - Discover sent, no offer received
 
Nesto su cackali , bio je prekid neta i posle sam dobio IP iz opsega koji nije bio do sada !
 
isto i kod mene. sređeno pre 2 dana ali tek posle interventnog poziva iz beograda jer sam njih zvao i žalio se.
dodali su crnogorski Atlas TV i al džaziru balkan.... -.-
 
Hvala Vam svakako na odgovru, već ima njihovu kablovsku, tako da to nije problem, ali nikada do sada nisam koristio kablovski internet. Ono što me dodatno inetersuje, trenutno recimo koristim ADSL paket od 4 Mbps, ali je realni protok 3.5 Mbps, (kvalitetom veze i nisam baš nešto zadovoljan), doduše nude mi sada CELIH 5 Mbps za 1400 dinara ali je ugovor na 2 godine ili pak 1650 sa ugovorom na godinu dana.

Ono što me konkretno inetersuje kada je kablovski interente u pitanju je:
- da li za brzinu od 6144/640 Kb se dobija i ta brzina ili ima nekih odstupanja ?
- da li je veza stabilna? (znam kad nema kablovsku da necu imati i net)?
- kakva je tehnicka podrska kod njih? (brzina reagovanja na prijave problema, intervenncije, itd...)
- da li usled povecanog broja korisnika dolazi do zagusenja neta i pada protoka?

Svakako mi je interesantna trenutna Kopernikova ponuda, da ugovor ide na godinu dana (što je prihvatljivo) plus 3 meseca gratis i besplatna instalaciona taksa.

Zahvaljujem svima unapred na odgovru i pomoći.
 
- Dobija se bas ta brzina, nekad cak i malo vise.

- Veza je prilicno stabilna. Ne mora da znaci da, kada nestane kablovska, nema ni neta. Jedino kada na tv-u imas samo sneg na svim kanalima (nema signala), tada nemas ni net, ali ako je samo ona total tv slika, onda to ne utice na net.
To sto ja imam problema sa netom u poslednjih mesec dana, to je verovatno jer mi crkava ruter, tako da nemoj da se obazires na te moje postove u poslednje dve - tri stranice u ovoj temi.
<šala>Mada, problemi su poceli, otprilike kada su prikljucili komsiji net, koji je na istom razdelniku kao i ja. Ja i moj dugacak jezik... previse sam hvalio njihov net kod komsija, ko mi je kriv sada. :D </šala>

- Zavisi koliko su zauzeti. Jer koliko sam mogao da primetim, ti isti ljudi rade vise poslova odjednom (dostavljaju racune, uvode net i tv, i dolaze na intervencije).

- Dosad nije bilo tih problema, barem ne kod nas u Smederevu (za druge gradove ne znam).
 
Kablovski u svakom slucaju
 
Iskljucen kanal d, bila je crna slika dan-dva i sad umesto njega ide KCN1 na dve frekvencije.

Evo za kolegu koji se dvoumi i moj speedtest, s tim sto ja nisam iz SD, ali nemam primedbe na net.

 
Poslednja izmena:
A evo i speedtesta srednjeg paketa, ako ti nesto znaci. :)

 
Pozdrav svima. Interesuje me da li neko sa podrucija Pcinjskog okruga, preciznije iz Vranja ima kopernikusov kablovski internet?
 
MladenVR je napisao(la):
Pozdrav svima. Interesuje me da li neko sa podrucija Pcinjskog okruga, preciznije iz Vranja ima kopernikusov kablovski internet?
Kliknite za proširenje...

Pozdrav Mladene ,

Naime u Vranju se kako kablovska tv tako i internet distribuira iz Vladicinog Hana (tu zivim) , korisnik sam Kopernikusovog kablovskog net-a od samog pocetka pruzanja usluga u Hanu i mogu ti reci da sam prezadovoljan uslugom . Nadam se da ces i ti biti ako se odlucis za tu varijantu interneta jer je lelekom ADSL zbog navodnog nedostatka parica u postama nemoguce dobiti, iskreno nemoj se sekirati jer kopernikusov radi brze i stabilnije (posmatrano na vecem broju racuna sa razlicitim internet provajderima).
 
Hvala pedjolinux. Muka mi je vise od ovog Telekoma i bednih 1.5mb za 1550 dinara. Meni sam kvalitet ADSL-a i nije los koliko ubija u pojam odnos cena/brzina koja se dobija u odnosu na konkurenciju. Ali definitivno prelazim na kablovski.

Reci mi samo, kapiram da mi MIK nije potreban s obzirom da prelazim sa ADSL- na kablovski, a isto tako da li je bolje da pri odjavi ADSL-a ipak trazim da mi daju MIK na koji imam pravo?
 
Poslednja izmena:
Ne treba ti mik, a mozes da ga uzmes ako hoces.Ali sigurno se neces vracati sa kablovskog na adsl ;)
 
Hvala Dejane :) Idem jos sutra da da se informisem. Nadam se da ce moci u istom danu da obave prikljucak.
 
Po pitanju prikljucivanja na mrezu Kopernikus je brz poput munje. :D Danas se prijavis sutra ti 100% prikljucuju, za isti dan ne znam, idi odma ujutro do njih i mozda bude istog dana.
 
Hocu hocu, maltene cim pocnu sa radom 8h :D taman se poklopilo sa obavezicama, pa dodje iz 1-1 :D
 
U petak je nestao signal u potpunosti na par minuta (tv i net), i od tada mi se vise nije menjala IP adresa. Svaka cast tehnicarima Kopernikusa u SD-u, na lociranju kvara i popravci. :)
 
Hvala, Milos_SD, dejan#7, dulsrules i ostalaima, na odgovoru na moje pitanje.. u svakom slucaju posle mnooogo godina na ADSL-u, predjoh na kablovski net i vise sam nego zadovoljan... pravo osvezenje, brzina odlicna, odziv odloican a i odnos cene i brzine i vise nego dobar, plus 3 meseca gratis.. gde ces vise... . dakle hvala momci jos jednom i preporucujem kablovski net ubuduce :)
 
Danas na info kanalu, neko igra slagalicu na fb-u. :D strasno, pa valjda imaju bar jos neki komp . .
 
Sto nema prevoda na ID-u,Diskaveriju?

Edit:
Sad ima :D

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Poslednja izmena:
Muka mi je od lelekoma.Kakva je Kopernikus Tv i internet u Sremskoj Mitrovici-Blok B,ima li neko iskustva?
I može li neko da mi objasni prilikom odjave sa lelekoma zasto je potrebno uzeti migracioni kod,da li to znači ako nisam zadovoljan sa novim provajderom da se odmah mogu vratiti lelekomu?
 
Poslednja izmena:
Internet je super, jeste da nisam iz SM ali svima radi kako treba. 6144/640 za 1400din je super gledajuci lelekom. TV bi bio OK da predplata nije 1050 din.Jer Kopernikus ne nudi nista bolje od ostalih provajdera po tom pitanju,a kod osatlih se TV krece oko 950 dinara( s tim sto ostali imaju DTV, Kopernikus ne).
Ali kad nemamo drugih resenja moramo istrpeti TV pretplatu.
 
ja sam mislio na onaj najeftiniji flat 3072/512 za 1100,sa televizijom me to izađe oko 2000 din,dok za lelekom mi je istekla promocija tako da sad ponovo iznosi 1500 din za 1,5 Mb/s
ma da ne poverujete koliko su inertni došao sam kod njih da potpišem box paket,ali oni nemaju izabrani telefon koji stoji na sajtu u njihovoj ponudi,nema ga u sremskoj mitrovici,a ne žele da ga poruče,izabrao sam naravno najskuplji koji se daje za 1 din odnosno dž,al kažu nema i ne mogu da poruče mogao bi to da sredim preko veze ali neću iz principa pa nek uvaljuju kineza kome god hoće
 
Super je i taj najjeftiniji flat u odnosu na lelekom.Ako ti ne treba brzi net OK,ali za 300 dinara vise imas duplo brze.Mozes i kasnije preci na 6144/640 pa vidi sta ti se vise isplati.U svakom slucaju sve je bolje od lelekoma :D
 
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